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The old geezer's gotta go. Actually make that the old geezers. Bernie and Biden... they're both past their best by dates.

Certainly looking that way.

I think they're both going to be consigned to also-rans early on. Like a good horse race, when going over a long distance - and 16 months is a pretty long distance - you don't want to be setting the early pace. I think they both get swamped very shortly.

Marianne Williamson is starting to grow on me.

Well, a comedian won in Ukraine, so why the hell not?
 
Harris may think she has improved her chances of being President, what she has really done is decrease her chances of becoming VP, while handing Trump more ammunition.

By... just about every poll I've seen, she did help her chances. By quite a bit, no less.

As for favorability, it's mildly interesting to see what the numbers actually say. For example, the only unfavorable rating that actually decreased after the first round of debates looks like Warren's. Other than that, favorability was, by far, most affected by people getting to know the candidates in the first place, and most of the candidates had notable overall increases in favorability versus unfavorability. Beto and Biden being the exceptions.

In other news... looks like Buttigieg has brought in a remarkable amount of money to campaign with again. $24.8 million, this time. That's a significant increase from the $7.1 million, last quarter.
 
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I have been inundated with trolls on Twitter with this kind of nonsense. I'm getting sick and tired of having to explain to people that Jamaica has black people too and their story on how they got there is rather sad.
 
You're contradicting yourself. If Trump is reelected why would this nonsense that Harris should run for VP mean anything?


BTW, the idea Harris doesn't have a viable chance to be POTUS is laughable.
The question is which combination has the best chance of beating Trump. Harris wants to be Potus, attacking Biden is her strategy for doing that. She could end up siphoning off enough votes to get Trump reelected, kind of like Bernie did last time.


If Biden gets the nomination and thinks that Harris will help him win the election, he will choose her. There have been some shotgun wedding tickets in the past--JFK and LBJ, Reagan and Bush, Dole and Kemp.
I hope you are right, she really seems to be burning some bridges right now.
 
Thereby abandoning even the pretense that we're a representative democracy rather than an oligarchy.

Wrong.

As you're well aware, not everything needs to be democratic. The democracy aspect of presidential elections is that the demos get to vote for the president. Why do they also need to vote for who runs for president? Hell, they even get to decide who can run to run to be president! I mean, was the US not democratic when the parties just presented their candidates and people voted? Is Canada not democratic because we just vote for whoever's presented by a party in our voting district?
 
Wrong.

As you're well aware, not everything needs to be democratic. The democracy aspect of presidential elections is that the demos get to vote for the president. Why do they also need to vote for who runs for president? Hell, they even get to decide who can run to run to be president! I mean, was the US not democratic when the parties just presented their candidates and people voted? Is Canada not democratic because we just vote for whoever's presented by a party in our voting district?

I don't like there being parties at all, I'm certainly not going to go along with suggestions to increase their power. Not everyone loves the status quo of being ruled by two cadres of bickering millionaires. Every scrap of power that the people can claw back from the bastards is worth it.
 
I don't like there being parties at all, I'm certainly not going to go along with suggestions to increase their power. Not everyone loves the status quo of being ruled by two cadres of bickering millionaires. Every scrap of power that the people can claw back from the bastards is worth it.

I'm (honestly, no snark) not getting what power you think the primaries* in their current form takes away from the parties.

If anything, in my opinion I actually really welcome people's viewpoints on this, treating the primaries as this huge dog & pony / reality TV show instead of just dropping the charade and presenting them as what they are; the party insiders picking the candidate and trying to craft a narrative where "the people" are behind them gives them more power, not less.

Right now every street level Democrat/Republican is convinced their opinion about who should run means something on a level beyond "Running a candidate with popular support within your own party is just easier all things considered, but it's not a requirement and we've proven we have zero problems telling our voter base who's running, not asking them."

That's the power the parties are holding right now.

*For dutiful acknowledgement of any potential future hairsplitting in accordance with Section 803.22 of the ISF Code, I hereby announce that I am aware of the "Champagne/Sparkling Wine" distinction between a primary and a caucus.
 
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I'm (honestly, no snark) not getting what power you think the primaries* in their current form takes away from the parties.

If anything, in my opinion I actually really welcome people's viewpoints on this, treating the primaries as this huge dog & pony / reality TV show where public opinion means jack instead of just dropping the charade and presenting them as what they are; the party insiders picking the candidate and trying to craft a narrative where "the people" are behind them gives them more power.

*For dutiful acknowledgement of any potential future hairsplitting in accordance with Section 803.22 of the ISF Code, I hereby announce that I am aware of the "Champagne/Sparkling Wine" distinction between a primary and a caucus.

If the public obviously hates and deplores a particular candidate the parties will presumably pick another one. It's not compulsory but at least it's some degree of considering public input. Which is preferable to the parties simply announcing their single picks and going straight to the election.
 
If the public obviously hates and deplores a particular candidate the parties will presumably pick another one. It's not compulsory but at least it's some degree of considering public input. Which is preferable to the parties simply announcing their single picks and going straight to the election.

It's a game of the numbers.

The Parties aren't stupid. They know full well that 99% of their base electoral is going to vote for whoever the eventual nominee for their party is, regardless of grumbling.

Let's face facts here. We could hold the 2020 election right now with the only two candidates being Donald Trump and "Democratic Nominee to Be Named at a Later Date" and I'd wager the results would be no more then 5% off of whatever the actual final vote is gonna be.

Outside of the extreme margins everybody already knows if they are voting Democratic Candidate or Donald Trump.

So we have two extreme margins. The members of the parties that will either stay home or vote for the other side if their preferred candidate doesn't get the nod and people who are still politically undecided between voting for Donald Trump and the Democratic Nominee, whomever they wind up being.

I don't think either of those numbers are all that huge. But my gut is telling me that second number is just a sliver bigger then the first one and is a better demographic to pander to.

I think the Dems will trade a few "My dream candidate didn't get the nod, screw you I'm going home" votes for what they can expected to gain from undecided voters.

My point, rambling to it that it is, is that "We're telling you who the candidate is going to be, not asking" is what they do now, just with more pomp and circumstance.

The candidate is still to be decided, but that decision is being made by the ~200 members of the DNC, not the ~12 million registered Democrats in the US.
 
I have been inundated with trolls on Twitter with this kind of nonsense. I'm getting sick and tired of having to explain to people that Jamaica has black people too and their story on how they got there is rather sad.
I wish I could give you advice on how to avoid being inundated by nonsense on Twitter, but I don't use it. I wouldn't know where to begin.

Oh.

Never mind.
 
Ironically, Fox News has given more coverage to Tulsi (and allowed her more time to talk about her policies) than the actual DNC at the Democratic Debate.

 
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I'm (honestly, no snark) not getting what power you think the primaries* in their current form takes away from the parties.

If anything, in my opinion I actually really welcome people's viewpoints on this, treating the primaries as this huge dog & pony / reality TV show instead of just dropping the charade and presenting them as what they are; the party insiders picking the candidate and trying to craft a narrative where "the people" are behind them gives them more power, not less.

Right now every street level Democrat/Republican is convinced their opinion about who should run means something on a level beyond "Running a candidate with popular support within your own party is just easier all things considered, but it's not a requirement and we've proven we have zero problems telling our voter base who's running, not asking them."

That's the power the parties are holding right now.

While the party might be picking the candidate as you say, the primaries are a good way for specific issues to gain support and acknowledgement. Even if the choice of person is predetermined, the end package of policies they are bringing will be influenced.
 
Not hosting at least one of the debates on Fox News was a mistake.
Why do you think that?

I do think that Fox probably would have done an adequate job hosting the debate (i.e. they would probably get one of their actual news casters to moderate it, rather than a Hannity/Carleson type.) But it would still have offered some undeserved legitimacy to Fox News.

And what exactly would it have done for the Democratic party or its candidates? I doubt any hardcore Fox viewer would have tuned in and said "You know, I was going to vote for Trump because I like his bigotry but I really like that mayor Buttajiggy guy so I'll vote for the Democrats next time."
 
Why do you think that?

I do think that Fox probably would have done an adequate job hosting the debate (i.e. they would probably get one of their actual news casters to moderate it, rather than a Hannity/Carleson type.) But it would still have offered some undeserved legitimacy to Fox News.

And what exactly would it have done for the Democratic party or its candidates? I doubt any hardcore Fox viewer would have tuned in and said "You know, I was going to vote for Trump because I like his bigotry but I really like that mayor Buttajiggy guy so I'll vote for the Democrats next time."

Listen I know he's an absolute knob, but Bill Maher summed it up pretty good for me.

https://deadline.com/2019/03/bill-m...ebate-controversy-real-time-video-1202576863/
 
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Why do you think that?

I do think that Fox probably would have done an adequate job hosting the debate (i.e. they would probably get one of their actual news casters to moderate it, rather than a Hannity/Carleson type.) But it would still have offered some undeserved legitimacy to Fox News.

And what exactly would it have done for the Democratic party or its candidates? I doubt any hardcore Fox viewer would have tuned in and said "You know, I was going to vote for Trump because I like his bigotry but I really like that mayor Buttajiggy guy so I'll vote for the Democrats next time."



Close to the most likes I've ever seen on a Fox News video.
 
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