Moderated Trump announces new concentration camps

[NWO Sentryman]

Then you're not well educated on the topic. Even the Nazis drew a distinction between the two. You're simply trying to create a false equivalency between the two as a means to avoid facing reality. The stupid bitch in the Whitehouse and his treasonous thugs are running concentration camps. While not death camps (though deaths have occurred to no great concern of those running them) they still are concentration camps.

By that standard, the Wise and Mature and Civilised European Union is running concentration camps in North Africa, and Australia is running similar facilities in Manus Island.

 

[JoeMorgue]

By that standard, the Wise and Mature and Civilised European Union is running concentration camps in North Africa, and Australia is running similar facilities in Manus Island.

Oh well that makes it okay then.

"But da librusl luuuurve the EU and everything they do has to be okay with them!" is stupid even by "gotcha" standards, and this coming from someone who is on record as finding the American's left continued genuflection of Europe growing stale a long time ago.

As some point I'd like the world's last remaining superpower to start judging itself based on what the right thing to do is.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It's only a "Concentration Camp" if it comes from the German providence of Kozentrant. Otherwise it's "Sparkling Detention Center."

just beautiful ...


nominated

 

[bruto]

But "death camps" are the equivalent of "concentration camps" in the usual use of the word. I've never seen anyone correct the use of "concentration camps" when a mention is made of the Soviets liberating Auschwitz.

Again, if the US is running :concentration camps" then so is every other nation on Earth and the term no longer has any negative meaning.

I think you're mistaken in the order of things and how a subset works. A death camp is a kind of concentration camp, but a concentration camp is not a kind of death camp. The term predates the Nazi era death camps by many years and wars.

 

[theprestige]

By that standard, the Wise and Mature and Civilised European Union is running concentration camps in North Africa, and Australia is running similar facilities in Manus Island.

If International Law were real, and crimes against humanity were a true thing, Australia would have been conquered, occupied, and completely restructured by now.

Nobody is gonna do mass exterminations in the Information age. Nowadays it's all about having a remote desert island for stashing undesirables. The US has to make do with detention camps.

 

[Checkmite]

First of all, they are not concentration camps in the usual use of the word. If they are concentration camps, then every nation on Earth has them - they are called jails and prisons.

Firstly, yes they are, since crossing the border in search of asylum is not illegal, which means that none of these detainees is even suspected of a crime, let alone guilty of one.

 

[Craig4]

By that standard, the Wise and Mature and Civilised European Union is running concentration camps in North Africa, and Australia is running similar facilities in Manus Island.

In fact they are, particularly as to what Australia is doing. We can enforce our immigration laws and not sacrifice our humanity in the process. There are things we can do in between what the Stupid Bitch in Chief is doing and open borders.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

That isn't going to stop me from asking for the specific sub heading.

It should, because the specific citation was there also.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Stuffing kids in cages,

I believe they are only "stuffed" there for up to three weeks. Then they are released when arrangements for their care have been made.

and having people literally die in custody from lack of basic amenities

Who has died "from lack of basic amenities?"

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Then you're not well educated on the topic.

Please provide evidence of people being corrected on this in normal, non-academic conversation.

stupid bitch in the Whitehouse and his treasonous thugs are running concentration camps. While not death camps (though deaths have occurred to no great concern of those running them) they still are concentration camps.

Fine, then every nation on Earth has concentration camps.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Firstly, yes they are, since crossing the border in search of asylum is not illegal, which means that none of these detainees is even suspected of a crime, let alone guilty of one.

Illegally crossing the border (such as crossing at a place other than a port of entry, which thousands are doing) to claim asylum is, in fact, illegal. Presenting yourself at a port of entry in order to claim asylum is not illegal, but there is still a process to endure, which takes time and manpower.

 

[kookbreaker]

But "death camps" are the equivalent of "concentration camps" in the usual use of the word.

Only if you are historically impaired. All Death Camps are Concentration Camps. While not all Concentration Camps are Death Camps.

The now-being-reused Japanese Internment Camps were decidedly Concentration Camps, they were a very bad for the US to use. But only a handful of hysterics declare them to be death camps.

I've never seen anyone correct the use of "concentration camps" when a mention is made of the Soviets liberating Auschwitz.

Then you haven't been looking very hard.

Again, if the US is running :concentration camps" then so is every other nation on Earth and the term no longer has any negative meaning.

Not even wrong.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I believe they are only "stuffed" there for up to three weeks. Then they are released when arrangements for their care have been made.

I'm trying to find a way within the MA to honestly relay my opinion of a person for whom when they are informed children are being kept in cages their response is "Yeah but only for up to three weeks."

I will continue to do so.

Who has died "from lack of basic amenities?"

Don't play dumb.

 

[kookbreaker]

I'm trying to find a way within the MA to honestly relay my opinion of a person for whom when they are informed children are being kept in cages their response is "Yeah but only for up to three weeks."

I will continue to do so.

I am reminded of one Bush II defender on this board who stated that the since the New Orleans citizens in the Superdome in the Katrina aftermath only went without fresh water and food for ‘only a few days’ that Bush & Brownie’s efforts should have been lauded.

Cruelty seems to be the point.

 

[Checkmite]

Illegally crossing the border (such as crossing at a place other than a port of entry, which thousands are doing) to claim asylum is, in fact, illegal. Presenting yourself at a port of entry in order to claim asylum is not illegal, but there is still a process to endure, which takes time and manpower.

I'd like to see your evidence that the majority or even a reasonable bulk of the populations of these concentration camps who were seeking asylum, crossed at a place other than a port of entry. Because it was certainly my impression otherwise; that the vast overwhelming majority of these asylum claimants crossed at ports of entry and surrendered immediately to the Border Patrol, considering that was the whole point of their journey.

 

[Checkmite]

The now-being-reused Japanese Internment Camps were decidedly Concentration Camps, they were a very bad for the US to use.

Indeed; and remember that these particular concentration camps are the ones which Reagan famously apologized for and said we must never allow to happen again.

 

[thaiboxerken]

The arguments that racists use to justify Trump's concentration camps are amazing.

 

[Lurch]

The Trump Reich apologists don't seem to care that their country is becoming even more of a pariah among the developed nations. Newer and long-standing matters that amaze and concern:

The breaking of treaties (the Iran nuclear deal being the best example); the tariff shenanigans; the pissing off of allies; the pandering to despots, the corralling of non-criminal people into camps; the grotesque proportion of citizenry in prisons; the lack of affordable health care for all; the mindlessly fetishistic love of guns; the general retreat into isolationism (except when rattling sabers).

We see too many remnants of an unevolved society that has not yet sloughed off the frontiersman's conquering grasp, the slave owner's subjugation, and the Cold War-induced irrational fear of anything "social."

 

[Travis]

By that standard, the Wise and Mature and Civilised European Union is running concentration camps in North Africa, and Australia is running similar facilities in Manus Island.

I'm less well versed on the EU camps you mention but, yeah, Australia has been running a very large concentration camp for a number of years now. And it has pissed off a lot of people including myself.

 

[Craig4]

Please provide evidence of people being corrected on this in normal, non-academic conversation.


Fine, then every nation on Earth has concentration camps.

Wow, your supply of straw must be massive to create all those strawmen. Certainly nearly every nation has prisons run to varying degrees of human rights standards. They don't all run concentration camps.

Careful you don't hyperextend your elbow when you go to the rally and salute your Trumpenfureher.