Fully Automated Luxury Communism

[dudalb]

Of course I am. My choice is not unlimited, but I still make the choice.



Maybe but if I write a song and I make my living off of doing that, I'd like that sort of monopoly.

Whether that should pass on to my descendants is another question.

I don't get this idea that leaving something to your children is evil.
I think the life of the creator plus 20 years is a reasonable compromise.
The other problem I have with the anti copyright movement is a lot of it is just plain "I WANT MY STUFF FREE". SOme of the justidications by people who pirate games and movies are really outrageous.

 

[Lambchops]

No.

Yes.

 

[Lambchops]

the infallible wisdom of the State in Marxism.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The end goal of communism, as espoused by Marx, is the abolition of the state.

Seriously, read some actual Marxist theory before you attempt to criticize it.

 

[portlandatheist]

You have no idea what you are talking about. The end goal of communism, as espoused by Marx, is the abolition of the state.

Seriously, read some actual Marxist theory before you attempt to criticize it.

Marx was a contemporary of Freud whom nobody takes seriously anymore. Every attempt at Marxism has only increased the power of the state, that is history, no matter what Marx wrote or believed. Marx believed that capitalism had a parasitic effect on the economy and that if we removed it, we wouldn't have to work as much to feed, shelter and clothe ourselves. Just the opposite is true.
Why does it matter to you what Marx thought? about anything whatsoever? Marx lived in a different era with a different data set than what is available to us today. Isn't it time we discontinue treating Marx as a prophet? When it comes to our economy, let's leave religion out of it.

 

[Lambchops]

Marx was a contemporary of Freud whom nobody takes seriously anymore.

Stephen Hawking was a contemporary of L Ron Hubbard. So they were both equally wrong because they happened to exist in roughly the same period of time?

This is the worst "argument" against Marxism I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot. Do better.

 

[portlandatheist]

You have no idea what you are talking about. The end goal of communism, as espoused by Marx, is the abolition of the state.

Seriously, read some actual Marxist theory before you attempt to criticize it.

Please, can you give some examples where the pursuit of Marxist ideas has removed the state or at least is on the path to abolition of the state?

 

[portlandatheist]

Stephen Hawking was a contemporary of L Ron Hubbard. So they were both equally wrong?

This is the worst argument against Marxism I've ever seen. Do better.

and like L Ron Hubbard, Marx is a religious leader and his prophecies don't have e a great track record and Hawking is not a religious leader. Marx is just another variety of religiousness ala Hubbard. It isn't based on data or history, only sentiment.

 

[Lambchops]

Marx believed that capitalism had a parasitic effect on the economy and that if we removed it, we wouldn't have to work as much to feed, shelter and clothe ourselves. Just the opposite is true.

And I'd love to see you cite some actual evidence for this.

 

[Lambchops]

Please, can you give some examples where the pursuit of Marxist ideas has removed the state or at least is on the path to abolition of the state?

That is not the point. dudalb's claim is that Marxist theory is some sort of belief in the infallible power of the state, and that is objectively false.

 

[Lambchops]

and like L Ron Hubbard, Marx is a religious leader and his prophecies don't have e a great track record and Hawking is not a religious leader. Marx is just another variety of religiousness ala Hubbard. It isn't based on data or history, only sentiment.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Because private property is a thing. And most people through most of history have considered providing for their descendants after their death to be one of the most meaningful dispositions of their private property.

Not understanding this is, I think, an anti social trait.

And also a communist trait. But I repeat myself.

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I think a lot of the anti inheritance attitude is rooted in a belief that individual wealth belongs to the state, and that the individual is merely borrowing it. They're supposed to return it to its rightful owner, not pass it on to their family and friends.

I know this thread is pages long and surely it's been mentioned, but this lie needs to stop being repeated.

The capital gains on all of that wealth has not been taxed. Why should that tax obligation be negated when the wealth changes hands?

Charge the estate tax on all the capital gains involved and you can pass what's left on.

There are very few people inheriting the family business and keeping it. You can let them roll the capital gains over if they are not liquidating a family owned business. It's not a hard problem to solve.

But all those rich asshats that voted to do away with the inheritance tax did so for purely selfish reasons.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And while I'm ranting, what the hell is wrong with a mix of capitalism where it works best and community funding where that works best?

 

[Belz...]

I don't get this idea that leaving something to your children is evil.

Well, I certainly didn't call it evil. I just said I'm not sure about how it should work.

Yes.

Then you have no idea how capitalism works. If you're correct, then my family couldn't ever have gotten from farmers/milkmen to middle-class in the span of a generation.

 

[Belz...]

That is not the point. dudalb's claim is that Marxist theory is some sort of belief in the infallible power of the state, and that is objectively false.

That's because he's talking about the reality of how it's applied, not just the theory.

 

[Brainster]

You have no idea what you are talking about. The end goal of communism, as espoused by Marx, is the abolition of the state.

Just another example of how delusional Marx's thinking was. He assumed the state would wither away. In fact the most repressive and totalitarian states of the last 100 years have all been communist. And this is a feature of communism, not some bug. The only way to ensure equality of outcomes is at gunpoint.

 

[portlandatheist]

Here is a good read on why Karl Popper describes Marx and Freud as pseudoscience.
https://fs.blog/2016/01/karl-popper-on-science-pseudoscience/

I found that those of my friends who were admirers of Marx, Freud, and Adler, were impressed by a number of points common to these theories, and especially by their apparent explanatory power. These theories appeared to be able to explain practically everything that happened within the fields to which they referred. The study of any of them seemed to have the effect of an intellectual conversion or revelation, opening your eyes to a new truth hidden from those not yet initiated. Once your eyes were thus opened you saw confirming instances everywhere: the world was full of verifications of the theory.

Whatever happened always confirmed it. Thus its truth appeared manifest; and unbelievers were clearly people who did not want to see the manifest truth; who refused to see it, either because it was against their class interest, or because of their repressions which were still ‘un-analysed’ and crying aloud for treatment.

 

[dann]

Too bad it's not in English. Do you understand German? Wissenschaftskritik: Karl Popper

 

[portlandatheist]

Too bad it's not in English. Do you understand German? Wissenschaftskritik: Karl Popper

nur ein bisschen

 

[BobTheCoward]

Too bad it's not in English. Do you understand German? Wissenschaftskritik: Karl Popper

The guy from blues traveler

 

[theprestige]

You have no idea what you are talking about. The end goal of communism, as espoused by Marx, is the abolition of the state.



Seriously, read some actual Marxist theory before you attempt to criticize it.

Marx didn't espouse communism, he predicted it.

And abolition of the state isn't a goal of Marxist communism, it's a predicted result of the process.