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The Trump Presidency 14

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Juniversal said:
Not sure if this is supposed to prove that "heaps" of black people voted for Trump but surely looks to me that almost none voted for Trump. Only 6%. Am I missing something?
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Well men were 14% and white women which was my other point you seem to be ignoring after the white dudes in hat comment were very big
 
cullennz said:
Well men were 14% and white women which was my other point you seem to be ignoring after the white dudes in hat comment were very big
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Surely you don't think 14% is anything to write home about? 14% is pretty pathetic..
 
Juniversal said:
Surely you don't think 14% is anything to write home about? 14% is pretty pathetic..
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The black vote is also lopsided towards women, due to the number of states that disenfranchise anyone with a felony conviction combined with the habit to charge black men more harshly than other listed groups.

Juniversal will agree that this is intentionally designed.
 
Mumbles said:
The black vote is also lopsided towards women, due to the number of states that disenfranchise anyone with a felony conviction combined with the habit to charge black men more harshly than other listed groups.

Juniversal will agree that this is intentionally designed.
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Good point. No doubt it is a relative factor in voting demographics.
 
And more women over 50 voted for Trump

The basic point I was trying to make is that it isn't all old white dudes wearing the strangely terrifying hats who are the reason he won

And will probably win again
 
Take a look at the demographics of the rallies beyond the carefully choreographed group that stand behind Trump. Look at the video of those who camped out. Salty white boomers.
 
cullennz said:
And more women over 50 voted for Trump

The basic point I was trying to make is that it isn't all old white dudes wearing the strangely terrifying hats who are the reason he won

And will probably win again
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This argument is silly. Of course it isn't all old white dudes, but it is clearly the older white population who voted for trump.

And for people who see the maga hats as a modern version of the Redshirts and what they represented, why wouldn't the hats be terrifying?
 
Stacyhs said:
Watching a Trump rally requires wearing sunglasses; the light bouncing off all that white skin is blinding.

I watched a Trumper being interviewed by CNN's Ed Lavendera at the rally. When asked if he worried about Trump's divisiveness and lies hurting the country in the long run, the man replied, "I don't think so. You'd have to tell me what he's lied about first of all. I don't think he's lied about anything." Lavendera asked, "You don't think he's lied about anything?" The reply was "No."

Trump has over 10,000 documented lies and this MAGA hat wearing man doesn't think he's lied about anything. Hopeless. Just hopeless. And some people get offended when we say the stereotypical Trumpers are stupid.
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I'm reminded of the lady at a townhall event, where the Republican congress critter (I forget the name, but he's the only one who has supported impeaching Trump) laid out the various crimes in the Mueller report, and she subsequently said she was shocked to learn that there was anything of the sort in the report. She certainly hadn't heard anything about them from her usual news sources.
 
Aridas said:
Random news time...

Overruling his experts, Pompeo keeps Saudis off U.S. child soldiers list

Fairly self-explanatory, really. Saudis are apparently using child soldiers in Yemen. Countries on the list require a waiver to get US aid. Looks like Pompeo's acting to protect Saudi Arabia... again. Reminds me of when he was working to try to help the Saudis come up with a plausible cover for Khashoggi's murder.
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He's not the only one, the UK is doing much the same, and they have troops on the ground helping said child soldiers. According to this Long Read in The Guardian on the deep involvement, the Saudis essentially has the UK government by the balls, threatening to drop the al-Yamamah arms deal, which would be devastating to the UK arms industry. Makes one wonder what MBS is using to keep the US in line as well...
 
cullennz said:
And more women over 50 voted for Trump

The basic point I was trying to make is that it isn't all old white dudes wearing the strangely terrifying hats who are the reason he won

And will probably win again
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TofuFighter took the words out of my mouth but no election is ever ONLY white. Bush had a better minority turn out than Trump.
 
Seeing the video of The PDJT waddling out last night, I'm struck by how much he's beginning to look like a duck. His top half is moving more to the front and his back half is graduating the other way.
 
Trump winning 6% of black males isn't a lot.
Trump winning 39% of women isn't.... well that actually is kind of a lot.
Trump winning 27% of Asians isn't a lot.
Trump wining 28% of Hispanics isn't a lot.
Trump winning 25% of city voters isn't a lot.
Trump winning 14% of the LGBQT vote isn't a lot.
Trump winning 8% of the registered Democrats isn't a lot.
Trump winning 10% of self identified liberals isn't a lot.
Trump winning (I can't find the exact number, but I saw it in exit polls after the elections, it was a small but still there amount) of the citizens not born in the country isn't a lot.
Trump winning... etc, etc, etc.

None of these are a lot (except women, but "women" as a demographic has always been weird and hard to pin down) but they are at least noteworthy when the narrative is that Trump is obviously and completely hostile to these groups in extreme and impossible to ignore ways.

If you have 100 guys named Doug and between 6 and 39 of them vote for the "Gonna Punch Doug in the Face" Party... we can at least talk about that. Sure it's easy to just go "X percent of the group is stupid" but where does that really get us?


*Links
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html
https://www.people-press.org/2018/0...he-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/14/key-facts-about-the-latino-vote-in-2016/
https://cis.org/Report/Who-Voted-2016
 
JoeMorgue said:
Trump winning 6% of black males isn't a lot.
Trump winning 39% of women isn't.... well that actually is kind of a lot.
Trump winning 27% of Asians isn't a lot.
Trump wining 28% of Hispanics isn't a lot.
Trump winning 25% of city voters isn't a lot.
Trump winning 14% of the LGBQT vote isn't a lot.
Trump winning 8% of the registered Democrats isn't a lot.
Trump winning 10% of self identified liberals isn't a lot.
Trump winning (I can't find the exact number, but I saw it in exit polls after the elections, it was a small but still there amount) of the citizens not born in the country isn't a lot.
Trump winning... etc, etc, etc.

None of these are a lot (except women, but "women" as a demographic has always been weird and hard to pin down) but they are at least noteworthy when the narrative is that Trump is obviously and completely hostile to these groups in extreme and impossible to ignore ways.

If you have 100 guys named Doug and between 6 and 39 of them vote for the "Gonna Punch Doug in the Face" Party... we can at least talk about that. Sure it's easy to just go "X percent of the group is stupid" but where does that really get us?


*Links
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html
https://www.people-press.org/2018/0...he-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/14/key-facts-about-the-latino-vote-in-2016/
https://cis.org/Report/Who-Voted-2016
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Weren't you banging on just the other day about how these people appreciated Trump's honesty in calling them stupid? If it's a winning strategy for him, let's all try it I say.
 
wareyin said:
Weren't you banging on just the other day about how these people appreciated Trump's honesty in calling them stupid?
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Sorta. There's some nuance in there.

Trump knows how to do the whole unspoken "I'm not talking about you... I'm talking about other members of your group, wink, wink" thing.

If Trump is in a rally with 10,000 left handed people and rants and raves about how left handed people are ruining the world, he has some way of having every single one of those left handed people hear and understand somehow that he's not talking about them, but other left handed people. It's... weird.

It not that people like it when Trump insults them in some literal emotional or intellectual sense, it's that Trump is able to tap into everyone's desire to be a special exception.

If it's a winning strategy for him, let's all try it I say.
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It's a winning strategy if you can do it right. Dems are either too honest (if you want to look at it as a positive) or too wishy-washy (if you want to look at it as a negative) to pull it off.

Like I said earlier with Hillary and the coal thing, Dems can talk tough in the moment but they always dial it back at best, worst grovel and apologize for it when the get the slightest bit of pushback.

Trump can stand in front of a crowd of people and when he's done have 90% of them convinced that they are all part of a special 10% and he's insulting the other 90%.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Sorta. There's some nuance in there.

Trump knows how to do the whole unspoken "I'm not talking about you... I'm talking about other members of your group, wink, wink" thing.

If Trump is in a rally with 10,000 left handed people and rants and raves about how left handed people are ruining the world, he has some way of having every single one of those left handed people hear and understand somehow that he's not talking about them, but other left handed people. It's... weird.

It not that people like it when Trump insults them in some literal emotional or intellectual sense, it's that Trump is able to tap into everyone's desire to be a special exception.



It's a winning strategy if you can do it right. Dems are either too honest (if you want to look at it as a positive) or too wishy-washy (if you want to look at it as a negative) to pull it off.

Like I said earlier with Hillary and the coal thing, Dems can talk tough in the moment but they always dial it back at best, worst grovel and apologize for it when the get the slightest bit of pushback.

Trump can stand in front of a crowd of people and when he's done have 90% of them convinced that they are all part of a special 10% and he's insulting the other 90%.
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This mostly boils down to the expectations of his listeners, though. They walk into a Trump rally expecting him to make them feel special, while they hear a Democratic candidate's carefully cut speech excerpts on Fox News already expecting to hear that candidate insulting them. It's why some of half of Trump's supporters became every conservative voter being deplorable, while Trump insulting 100% of his audience becomes none of his audience.
 
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Whatever the hows and the whys it worked for him and it has a strong chance of working for him again unless we learn to tap into it as well.
 
cullennz said:
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I love that the percentage of Black women who voted for Trump is so small it has to be represented by an asterisk.

Happy Juneteenth, everybody!
 
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