Planes you'd never heard of

[Pope130]

Except for the forward fuselage, wings, and tail sure. I suppose they both have a canopy and an under fuselage radiator so much be exactly the same.

It actually resembles the Australian CAC CA-15 more closely.

 

[jimbob]

Fairey Fulmar???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Fulmar#/media/File:Fairey_Fulmar_Mk_II_from_underside.jpg

it looks a bit like a Fairey Barracuda with the very long glazed top, and what looks like too long for two people only.

Fairey Battle. Tons of stuff online about this one.

Barracuda has a totally different tail configuration, Battle lacks the prominent scoop.

Ah well, Fairy obviously had a fairly obvious design signature.

Also, the Barracuda has a mid-wing configuration; my screenshot shows an aircraft that is clearly low-wing.

 

[jimbob]

I give you the Martin Baker MB5 - the greatest piston engine fighter of the jet age.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin-Baker_MB_5

Looks like a North American P-51

It actually resembles the Australian CAC CA-15 more closely.

Except for the forward fuselage, wings, and tail sure. I suppose they both have a canopy and an under fuselage radiator so much be exactly the same.

And the contra-rotating front props

 

[Mark F]

A more recent also-ran few have heard of; The Dassault Mirage 4000. Big brother to the Mirage 2000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_4000

 

[Trebuchet]

Nevermind, responded to something from a previous page.

 

[Elagabalus]

A more recent also-ran few have heard of; The Dassault Mirage 4000. Big brother to the Mirage 2000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_4000

Never heard of it.

 

[MRC_Hans]

OK, here is one. While it says "Danish Experimental" on this one, the general type was built in several places. The idea was the common man's aircraft. A single seater with an engine of about 30hp, it was not aimed for the higher parts of the sky. It was meant to be easy to fly, having only three controls:

- Rudder
- The angle of the main wing
- Throttle

They could fly, but as already the Brothers Wright found out, you really cannot do without ailerons: There are simply too many situations you cannot get yourself out of, and indeed several of these things crashed. Now they sit in museums here and there.

Hans

 

[TX50]

Except for the forward fuselage, wings, and tail sure. I suppose they both have a canopy and an under fuselage radiator so much be exactly the same.

You people on here can be such snarky buggers sometimes. Where did I even imply that it "must be exactly the same"? Anyway, the wing form is in fact identical to the lightweight experimental XP-51 designs, as is the tail. The belly mounted radiator is crucial to the MB-5's high performance because of its substantial drag reduction effect. The principle was first reported in 1935 by a British engineer called F.W. Meredith but was misunderstood and ignored by contemporary British aeronautical engineers until North American implemented it in the "Mustang". Even the shape of the MB-5's bypass gutter is identical to the P-51's. I wonder where Martin-Baker got that idea?

 

[smartcooky]

Looks like a North American P-51

Except for the forward fuselage, wings, and tail sure. I suppose they both have a canopy and an under fuselage radiator so much be exactly the same.

And I don't recall any model of P-51 with contra-rotating props!

 

[Pope130]

And I don't recall any model of P-51 with contra-rotating props!

You have only to ask. This is the Red Baron Mustang. A modified P-51D with the Rolls Royce Griffon and contra-rotating props.

 

[smartcooky]

You have only to ask. This is the Red Baron Mustang. A modified P-51D with the Rolls Royce Griffon and contra-rotating props.

Not a production model though. I mean, this is a heavily modified AC in private ownership. It never fought in WW2 or Korea.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Not a production model though. I mean, this is a heavily modified AC in private ownership. It never fought in WW2 or Korea.

Mm, no. Is that somehow a requirement for mention here?

Hans

 

[smartcooky]

Mm, no. Is that somehow a requirement for mention here?

Hans

Look at the comment I answered, and what I answered with

"And I don't recall any model of P-51 with contra-rotating props!"

The word model has a specific meaning in aircraft parlance. Its the designation for the general design of the aircraft. Pope130's example is not a model of the P51, it a heavily modified one-off.


There is no model of P51 with contra rotating props.

 

[Andy_Ross]

And the contra-rotating front props

Quite a few had contra rotating props, some of the spitfires, Sea Fureys, Tempests and several others that escape me at the moment.

 

[Mark F]

Never heard of it.

Well, job done then

 

[Elagabalus]

Mm, no. Is that somehow a requirement for mention here?

Hans

Please see my post above.

 

[Trebuchet]

You have only to ask. This is the Red Baron Mustang. A modified P-51D with the Rolls Royce Griffon and contra-rotating props.

A bit off-topic, but that has reminded me:
A former, very senior to me and now deceased, co-worker once owned not one but two P-51 Mustangs. One to fly, and one mostly for parts. As you can see from that photo, it's kind of hard to see exactly where you are going from tail-draggers with large props.
One day he accidentally shredded someone's modern turbine helicopter, to the point of it being a write-off. That cost him his mustangs, his house, and pretty much everything else. Brilliant guy, regardless.

 

[jimbob]

Quite a few had contra rotating props, some of the spitfires, Sea Fureys, Tempests and several others that escape me at the moment.

The one I always think of is the Fairey Gannet, which always seems unfair to the elegant seabird.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The one I always think of is the Fairey Gannet, which always seems unfair to the elegant seabird.

Don't forget the Shackleton, some of those had contra rotating props but like the Gannet they are turboprop, not piston engines.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Convair Sea Dart at the old SST museum

This one I did not know of. It's a Hydrofoil!

For a time there was a Sea Dart at the now defunct Boeing SST museum in Kissimmee, FL. One now resides in Lakeland, FL, but I am beginning to think that the one i in Lakeland is a different aircraft but the same model. There is an air museum in Kissimmee, and it is said by some to have a Sea Dart, but the one I remembered from my visit to the SST museum and from some photos I saw on-line was light-colored. One of the remaining aircraft may have been repainted at some point, and there appears to be some confusion surrounding its correct number. See also these links and here.