Mueller Investigation pt 6

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Upchurch said:
He just had a special FBI investigation conclude that he committed punishable crimes and he's reframing it as a moral (and PR) win amongst his base. Are you kidding me? He'll turn a failed impeachment attempt into case-closed proof that he's 100% innocent of anything ever. And his base will believe every bit of it.

You want evidence? Look at what the people in this thread who haven't bothered to read the Mueller report are saying. Ignorance makes reality malleable.


That is a great idea. The Democrats do not have a media machine like Fox News to guide the spin.
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Yes, this ^.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Horse hockey. There's not a person in the developed world that isn't intellectually and emotionally aware of what Trump has done.
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Oh there are tens of millions in this country who don't know anything of substance about this. Here we're a bunch of political junkies who pay attention to events and think about this stuff every day. Out there are vast hordes like my mom who pay ZERO attention to current events, don't watch the news ("It's all bad news!"), and only get the newspaper to do the crossword.

Pundits call them "low information voters", and they played a rather important role in the 2016 election.
 
Stacyhs said:
Exactly. This is why I'm conflicted as to whether impeaching Trump is a good idea or not. Do I think there is more than adequate grounds for impeachment? Absolutely. But would it be a good idea knowing that the Senate would never convict him? Probably not. Pelosi has shown herself to be a savvy Speaker of the House. At this point, I'm more inclined to trust her instincts on this. Frankly, I'm pinning my hopes on the state investigations of Trump as I truly believe he has committed serious financial crimes.
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Pelosi is savvy, yes, so was Hillary. But both of them suffer from not understanding how to control the narrative, especially in this case.

Couple decades ago it was believed (and rightly so at that time) that ignoring scandals, giving them less airtime, was better than responding and lengthen the news cycle.

That's in the past. That doesn't work now with the 'news cycle' occurring in social media as much as it occurs in the press.

In addition, like I said, it's not how to counter someone like Trump. We need to take some of the Trump TV airtime away. Impeachment hearings can do that.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yes.

"But... but... IT'S A DOUBLE STANDARD!" misses the point that Trump and his base doesn't give a crap that he's a hypocrite with double standards. This is just another thing that works in his favor because it "Gets those sissy libruls all worked up."

Trump stood in front of a crowd in Iowa and said "How stupid are the people of Iowa?" and then won Iowa in a landslide. Hillary Clinton had a brilliant plan for coal country, getting it off of coal. But Hillary Clinton did worse in West Virginia and Pennsylvania then Trump did with Hispanics after calling them rapists and thieves.

Because the one thing Trump gets in that deformed 3rd testicle that passes for his brain in that there is a sizeable, marketable cross-demographic voter base in America right now that basically is going "Insult me, lie to me, just lead me. Act like you actually think you're right." They don't want a wishy-washy milquetoast goober who's going to talk back every statement they make the second it polls bad with a focus group.

Trump knows how to do that silent, unspoken "Wink, wink but I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about other women, vets, minorities, etc" when he's openly and without shame insulting someone to their face and that's a skill the Dems have never mastered.
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Then perhaps there is only one viable, workable solution... and its the one we are not supposed to talk about... and if anyone takes it, they had better not miss!
 
JoeMorgue said:
I think we're all getting rather tired of explaining over and over the difference between getting a blumpkin from the chubby Jewish chick who brings you the mail and conspiring with what is pretty America's archenemy to rig an election.
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Except that not even the sainted Robert Mueller, peace be upon him, could bring a conspiracy case against Trump.
 
The Shrike said:
Oh there are tens of millions in this country who don't know anything of substance about this. Here we're a bunch of political junkies who pay attention to events and think about this stuff every day. Out there are vast hordes like my mom who pay ZERO attention to current events, don't watch the news ("It's all bad news!"), and only get the newspaper to do the crossword.

Pundits call them "low information voters", and they played a rather important role in the 2016 election.
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You bet there are...and there are a lot of them. My sister is one of them. She never watches the news as she says "It only depresses me." Anything she knows of current events, she knows from me.

Even some people who think they're informed, aren't. Remember that woman at a McCain rally that said “I can't trust Obama. I have read about him, and he's not, he's not — he's an Arab”?
 
Fast Eddie B said:
On this we agree. Wrong. And criminal.









On this we disagree. Paula Jones was entitled to her day in court, and the questions were deemed relevant.



I am in no way equating this with Trump’s misdeeds. Trump is an order of magnitude - or several - worse than any president in my lifetime.



I just feel compelled to correct any mischaracterization and rationalization of the crime Bill Clinton actually committed.
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See that's the thing. If the Paula Jones accusations were true, why all the focus on Lewinsky? It doesn't make sense. They ruined Lewinskys life to further there political agenda. Yet barely anything about Jones.
 
a_unique_person said:
Or heard what Mueller just said.
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Heretic! Fake news!

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Someday, somehow, somewhere, in some way.... this tactic will eventually work.

Just you wait and see, you faithless unbeliever!
 
The only reason The PDJT is upset is that now he actually saw Mueller state his conclusions on TV. It's not real until it's on TV.
 
Meadmaker said:
If Mueller had uncovered any evidence that Trump was complicit in those attacks, Trump would be gone. There wasn't any such evidence.
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How many other investigations are ongoing now? Grand juries, federal courts, New York state, congressional committees? Trump is fighting discovery of evidence as hard as he can, and trying to discredit what has been found already.

Trump will be gone. The only question is when. And which of his 'indiscretions' is the tipping point. The two questions are when and which indiscretion. And which follow on investigation gets him first. Among the questions are . . . .
 
Meadmaker said:
People really don't understand Trump's appeal to voters.

Like most people here, I assumed that Trump would never become president. It wasn't until the weekend before the election that I began to grow nervous, and what made me nervous were Hilary's ads that emphasized the Access Hollywood tapes and Trump's other unconventional statements. It was painfully clear that she just didn't get it and was alienating voters.

I still didn't believe he would win, right up until they called Wisconsin.

I'm getting the same sinking feeling now, watching the coverage of the Mueller report, and of Democratic politicians calling for impeachment. They just don't get it. To many of the people here, you just don't get it.
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The impeachment investigation along with the associated leaks of findings, denials, deranged tweets, convictions of associates, crazed acts by supporters, and increasingly obvious acts of distraction will drag on until next election season and should be sufficient to tip enough Trumpkins off the MAGA wagon.
He won't be re-elected and his senatorial minions will go down in flames. Impeachment proceedings should be started. They don't need to be completed.
 
fishbob said:
The impeachment investigation along with the associated leaks of findings, denials, deranged tweets, convictions of associates, crazed acts by supporters, and increasingly obvious acts of distraction will drag on until next election season and should be sufficient to tip enough Trumpkins off the MAGA wagon.
He won't be re-elected and his senatorial minions will go down in flames. Impeachment proceedings should be started. They don't need to be completed.
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Oh, ye of great faith! I lost all trust in the American electorate's intelligence on election night. So far, I've seen nothing but confirmation of that opinion.
 
theprestige said:
Except that not even the sainted Robert Mueller, peace be upon him, could bring a conspiracy case against Trump.
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The Mueller that hasn't brought a conspiracy case isn't sainted, he's the multiply conflicted Chief Angry Democrat amongst 13/17/23/whatever equally enraged Feds. Have you no sense of victimhood and who it applies to? Who was ever credibly the victim of a saint? Trump's innocence is founded on his victimhood. Why are you trying to undermine him?
 
fishbob said:
Convicted how? Remember Mitch McConnell?
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There is the remote possibility after months of testimony the public will shift and McConnell will find it more beneficial to also shift. This is especially possible if it looks like Trump is going to lose the election and McConnell decides he'd rather see a different GOP candidate.

Mind you these are remote possibilities.
 
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