Facebook bans far right groups

[Checkmite]

What on earth are you talking about?

Some communist country or other must've banned religion, and since Baylor thinks leftists are filthy Muslim-lovers above all else, he thinks that pointing out a country with a communist government has outlawed Islam is going to send leftists into one of those destructive logic-loop overloads that Captain Kirk used to break robots with on the TV. That's my guess, at least.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Well...it's true that Farrakhan has done more good in his life than Milo Alyankovich or Ifnowars' conspiracy theorizing placebo peddlers. He has managed to get high-crime areas under control when police simply refused to do so, as well as providing security for black celebrities when police wouldn't (at this point, black police unions are around to step in when the normal unions and fellowships throw a fit over mild criticisms). People who speak of him fondly usually recall this, and mostly consider his racism and anti-semitism to be all bark and no bite.

However!

Farrakhan's still a hateful SOB who likely had Malcolm X killed for leaving the group, and he's still a conspiracy theorist and a woo peddler who has increasingly strange ties with Scientology. Saying he's done more good than Infowars - that bar isn't low, it doesn't even exist. If he's on the wrong side of an anti-hate policy, then the policy is being applied properly.

Agreed.

I also think that when the White Supremacists are banned, along with them the Asian Supremacists, Jewish Supremacists, Black Supremacists get the banhammer too.

As for NoI helping communities. I'm sure they did. In Italy, at the moment the fascist movement is squatting unused office buildings and turning them into community centres for ethnic Italians. Complete with an unofficial doctor's office providing free healthcare to poor people. And yes, they are on Twitter: https://twitter.com/CasaPoundItalia

 

[carlitos]

Apparently, these bannings have ruined the life of Laura Loomer. I have viewed this a few times, and it is apparently not a parody. She seems unwell.



ETA - Maybe she has a point if the evil Twitter people somehow banned her from Uber eats.

Plaintiff is a journalist and activist. In order to suppress plaintiff’s views regarding certain controversial political topics – in particular, the role of radical Islam and its proponents American public life and policy – defendants CAIR Florida, Inc. and CAIR Foundation, which have been established by the U.S. government and adjudicated as essentially American branches of the Mideast terrorist group Hamas, have acted in concert and conspired with defendant Twitter, Inc. (“Twitter”) to cause her to be banned from, and prevented her from making a living through the use of, the majority of social media platforms.

3.These include not only Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and the blog platform Medium.com, but also major payment processors PayPal.com and Venmo, ride-sharing systems Uber (including Uber Eats) and Lyft, crowdfunding website GoFundMe, online custom merchandise platform Teespring.

 

[luchog]

I also think that when the White Supremacists are banned, along with them the Asian Supremacists, Jewish Supremacists, Black Supremacists get the banhammer too.

Going strictly by the experiences of numerous friends and acquaintances, as well as my own, Facebook has always been ready and eager to purge the site of any content complaining about white people in general, white men in particular, and suspending or banning those who post such content. So far, just about everyone except white supremacists seem to get the banhammer regularly.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Going strictly by the experiences of numerous friends and acquaintances, as well as my own, Facebook has always been ready and eager to purge the site of any content complaining about white people in general, white men in particular, and suspending or banning those who post such content. So far, just about everyone except white supremacists seem to get the banhammer regularly.

I have no idea if FB is inconsistent in it's banning policy. I do think that everyone feels that their own political group is disproportionally targeted.

Louis Farrakhan's official page was banned yesterday along with Alex Jones and Milo.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-n...-farrakhan-others-facebook-instagram-n1001311

 

[Orphia Nay]

ISF would be very peaceful if it banned extremists.

This repub/dem polarisation leads some people to put their own party first and then make their own arguments try and fit into a defence of their party's extremism.

Now watch as people try and accuse their opponents of this and thus prove my point.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Maybe the following is of interest to the people in this thread:

I've been listening to some podcasts relevant to this discussion. (I use Podcast on iPhone).

I Don't Speak German.
The creators of this podcast follow a number of Alt-Right Youtube personalities and Podcasters and chart the world of the Alt-Right. kind of what I did myself some years ago, but better.
https://podtail.com/podcast/i-don-t-speak-german/
The creators are waaaaaaaaaay to the left of me, and I don't always agree with their views, but on the whole, it is a very good effort and worth your time IMHO.

Behind the Bastards
Podcast series about bad people, many of them on the far right.
https://www.behindthebastards.com/podcasts
The episodes about the US Nazi leader Rockwell was very interesting.
I used to think this guy was a joke (walking around in full Nazi uniform in 1960's America), but it seems he was actually very influential and pioneered extreme-right propaganda tactics that are very relevant today.
Highly recommended.

It Could Happen Here
Explores the potential for the growing divisions in US society going 'hot'.
Looks at the militia movement, amongst other things.
https://podtail.com/podcast/it-could-happen-here/
Also highly recommended.

 

[Roboramma]

ISF would be very peaceful if it banned extremists.

This repub/dem polarisation leads some people to put their own party first and then make their own arguments try and fit into a defence of their party's extremism.

I suspect that from the perspective of most people in 2070 we are all extremists, though I don't hazard to guess in which direction(s).

 

[Darat]

I suspect that from the perspective of most people in 2070 we are all extremists, though I don't hazard to guess in which direction(s).

Eating animals, I believe your descendents will be saying "I know she ate animals but she did invent totally safe, free endless energy production.." in much the way that we would say "George Washington kept slaves but did....."

 

[Eddie Dane]

Eating animals, I believe your descendents will be saying "I know she ate animals but she did invent totally safe, free endless energy production.." in much the way that we would say "George Washington kept slaves but did....."

"The fact that Xer cured cancer does not excuse their use of disposable plastics. The council has chosen to remove their statue. Those who object in writing, speech or thought shall be branded with the mark of Himmler and excluded from Universal Basic Income."

 

[carlitos]

Maybe the following is of interest to the people in this thread:

I've been listening to some podcasts relevant to this discussion. (I use Podcast on iPhone).
.......

Behind the Bastards
Podcast series about bad people, many of them on the far right.
https://www.behindthebastards.com/podcasts

Behind the Bastards did 3 episodes on Alex Jones. The last one featured the hosts of another podcast, Knowledge Fight, whose podcast goes waaaaaay into detail in analyzing Alex Jones' shows.

I'm a big fan of Behind the Bastards. Trying to find dark humor in some of the worst episodes in history is good for my soul. "Part 2" of the KKK episode was some of the funniest audio I have ever heard, which is weird to say.

 

[Mumbles]

The big payback

I have no idea if FB is inconsistent in it's banning policy. I do think that everyone feels that their own political group is disproportionally targeted.

Louis Farrakhan's official page was banned yesterday along with Alex Jones and Milo.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-n...-farrakhan-others-facebook-instagram-n1001311

I'll cosign luchog.

Y'all say "well what if they target leftist groups?" They have, for years. If you didn't notice, it's because you had no skin in the game, and you didn't care enough. Or, because you're a white nationalist yourself Either way

Wow, Farrakhan (who has a mixed and mostly negative record), along with Alex Jones and that Milo idiot.

You force me to defend Farrakhan.

What good deed did Jones or Milo ever do? Protect police from an antipathetic police force? Run off violent criminals? Even provide hope to people in prison, in exchange for allegiance to their weird cult?

Let's get to rights, I acnowledge that the NOI did, and *still* despise what they were, are, and will continue to be. And I've outlined what good they did, in this thread, while still saying that they were once, ultimately, helpful for good.

Can anyone say what Alex Jones, Spencer, or Milo whatever have done to help any community?

You likely cant. Other than the white nationalists screaming about him, I'd never speak a good word about him. As it is, I *have* to point out the good he's done, before condemning him.

We're actually fighting against a white nationalist, anti-Hispanic, anti-black, anti-LGBT move here. And the whiners are like the people who screamed at any black person attending a "white" college in the 60s. You're nothing new. The only question is wether or not society at large will accept it again. In the US...that's open to question.

 

[Lambchops]

Some communist country or other must've banned religion, and since Baylor thinks leftists are filthy Muslim-lovers above all else, he thinks that pointing out a country with a communist government has outlawed Islam is going to send leftists into one of those destructive logic-loop overloads that Captain Kirk used to break robots with on the TV. That's my guess, at least.

Sounds about right.

 

[Lambchops]

Apparently, these bannings have ruined the life of Laura Loomer. I have viewed this a few times, and it is apparently not a parody. She seems unwell.



ETA - Maybe she has a point if the evil Twitter people somehow banned her from Uber eats.

She was banned from Uber Eats because she would berate any brown-skinned driver that delivered food to her door.

And yes, she is obviously not well. She needs help.

 

[Matthew Best]

Maybe she should just get a job.

 

[dann]

You don't think that whining on Youtube is a job?!

 

[Lambchops]

Maybe she should just get a job.

As much as I dislike her ****** views on the world, I honestly believe that she needs medical help. Therapy, drugs, both, whatever.

 

[Eddie Dane]

I'll cosign luchog.

Y'all say "well what if they target leftist groups?" They have, for years. If you didn't notice, it's because you had no skin in the game, and you didn't care enough. Or, because you're a white nationalist yourself Either way

Wow, Farrakhan (who has a mixed and mostly negative record), along with Alex Jones and that Milo idiot.

You force me to defend Farrakhan.

What good deed did Jones or Milo ever do? Protect police from an antipathetic police force? Run off violent criminals? Even provide hope to people in prison, in exchange for allegiance to their weird cult?

Let's get to rights, I acnowledge that the NOI did, and *still* despise what they were, are, and will continue to be. And I've outlined what good they did, in this thread, while still saying that they were once, ultimately, helpful for good.

Can anyone say what Alex Jones, Spencer, or Milo whatever have done to help any community?

You likely cant. Other than the white nationalists screaming about him, I'd never speak a good word about him. As it is, I *have* to point out the good he's done, before condemning him.

Snip snip.

If we want certain toxic people on the right to be banned, it follows that some on the left (though I wouldn't actually call Nation of Islam left wing) will too. Those platforms will need to protect themselves from any speech that could lead to violence and also need to project an image of impartiality.

Milo has added little good to this world, but he has also not stood in front of a stadium full of people and said 'Jews, when God puts you in the ovens, it will be forever'.

Farrakhan is a raging anti-semite and probably murdered his way into the position he is in.

I'm sure Farrakhan and nation of Islam have done good things for black communities and functioned as a means of organising against a disgustingly hostile culture and violently racist police force.

Nation of Islam has done good work and has a much cooler esthetic than most identitarian groups.

But if community activism and helping people is your criterium for excusing extremist groups, you can already start preparing for excusing Fascists, because they will eventually catch on to the fact that helping destitute people gets you credibility and followers.

From what I've learned, far-right extremist groups evolve and the internet helps them evolve much faster than before.

You see, you get a very low quality fascist in the US. You get seven overweight middle-aged guys in a minivan and swastika T-shirts. Here in Europe, we have fascist groups that have adopted a strategy of protecting young women going home from the club, and who are providing free medical care to poor people, free housing to homeless families (providing they are white of course).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3x-ge4w46E

The whole Richard Spencer thing around 2016 already seems to be moving in that direction (suits and ties). Is Richard Spencer going to be OK if he starts paying for dentists in rural Alabama?

 

[Eddie Dane]

Behind the Bastards did 3 episodes on Alex Jones. The last one featured the hosts of another podcast, Knowledge Fight, whose podcast goes waaaaaay into detail in analyzing Alex Jones' shows.

I'm a big fan of Behind the Bastards. Trying to find dark humor in some of the worst episodes in history is good for my soul. "Part 2" of the KKK episode was some of the funniest audio I have ever heard, which is weird to say.

I love how they pivot from the dark subject matter to the commercial breaks in a somewhat bashful manner.

'Yes, George Lincoln Rockwell was a disgusting horrible human being. But you know what's not disgusting and horrible? The fantastic products and services that you are about to hear about next!'

 

[Grey2000]

If only there was a spurious rule of so to invoke.

In Nazism, the deaths are the goal.

Really ? Nobody has challenged this ?

No, in Nazism the deaths were/are not the goal. They're the twisted MEANS to the goal. The goal was/is their ideal of a utopian society.

The distinction is not nearly as sharp as you'd like it to be.