2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker

[Toontown]

Joe's got some more 'splainin' to do. During his YouTube video, Biden focused on Charlottesville, and the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue.
But guess what? Biden voted in 1975 to restore Robert E. Lee's citizenship. Sounds to me like that makes him alt-right or Neo-Nazi. Or maybe he's one of those some who are fine people?

Which immediately put Trump on defense. Biden's first volley put Trump on defense. And no, Biden did not focus on the removal of the statue. He focused on the nazis who used that as an excuse, and he focused on Trump's "very fine people" remark.
Trump had it easy in 2016 because he had no political record. Now he and his support have a political record. And it sucks.

Why do you want to twist reality all up like that? Are you at war with reality, like Trump?

 

[acbytesla]

Joe's got some more 'splainin' to do. During his YouTube video, Biden focused on Charlottesville, and the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue.



But guess what? Biden voted in 1975 to restore Robert E. Lee's citizenship. Sounds to me like that makes him alt-right or Neo-Nazi. Or maybe he's one of those some who are fine people?

Pretty desperate my friend. It's one thing to vote to restore citizenship to a member of the losing side in the war and to be against a Confederate monument built specifically to intimidate African Americans at the height of Jim Crow. I would be in favor of both restoring citizenship to Robert E. Lee and for removing that monument from the town square.

The citizenship is about forgiving Lee of his transgressions. The monument was about honoring Lee for his transgressions and racism.

I doubt it will be an issue for any Democrat.

 

[theprestige]

I don't agree with your assessment that the Trumpkins knew he was a counterproductive buffoon in 2016.

Says the guy who posted this:

That wasn't my idea. My idea was to give Trump hell and expose him for what he is - an ignorant counterprod and buffoon.

And don't bother trying to turn the loyal Trumpkins. It's a waste of time.

Make up your mind: Are you trying to convince the Trumpkins that Trump is a buffoon? Or have you written them off?

 

[Toontown]

Says the guy who posted this:

Make up your mind: Are you trying to convince the Trumpkins that Trump is a buffoon? Or have you written them off?

That's not even a sequitur.

Yes, I've written off Trump's hard base. No, I don't think they knew or know now that he's a counterprod buffoon. Buffoons don't know other buffoons are buffoons.

No, I don't think Trump won with that 30% of immovable buffoons. That's not enough to win with.

 

[Toontown]

Amazing. I'm actually receiving inaccurate flak from people who have utterly failed to demonstrate any ability whatsoever to move a Trumpkin.

But wait. Some of my detractors are Trumpkins. Who haven't moved since...

 

[theprestige]

That's not even a sequitur.

Yes, I've written off Trump's hard base. No, I don't think they knew or know now that he's a counterprod buffoon. Buffoons don't know other buffoons are buffoons.

No, I don't think Trump won with that 30% of immovable buffoons. That's not enough to win with.

So who's your intended audience for the "Trump is a buffoon" strategy you're lifting from 2016 and proposing for 2020?

 

[Brainster]

Pretty desperate my friend. It's one thing to vote to restore citizenship to a member of the losing side in the war and to be against a Confederate monument built specifically to intimidate African Americans at the height of Jim Crow. I would be in favor of both restoring citizenship to Robert E. Lee and for removing that monument from the town square.

The citizenship is about forgiving Lee of his transgressions. The monument was about honoring Lee for his transgressions and racism.

I doubt it will be an issue for any Democrat.

Cool. So Robert E. Lee was just a member of the losing side in a war, not some American Nazi fighting to preserve an evil institution?

 

[Toontown]

So who's your intended audience for the "Trump is a buffoon" strategy you're lifting from 2016 and proposing for 2020?

Sorry, I'm having more difficulty taking you seriously the more you talk.

Two sentences do not a a "strategy" make. Trying to blow them up into a strawman "strategy" is looking pretty pathetic. I know the pastures are barren in these parts, but damn. But mind you, I do think a strategy should definitely include using superior language skills, heavy doses of giving Trump unmitigated hell and exposing his counterproductive buffoonery to the maximum extent.

It is almost as if you don't want that.

As for your question, the answer to which is implicit, try the process of elimination. Who are not part of Trump's immovable 30%?

The ones between that group of immovable deplorables and the ones who would rather drink buzzard puke than vote for Trump are the ones who are in play.

 

[theprestige]

Sorry, I'm having more difficulty taking you seriously the more you talk.

Two sentences do not a a "strategy" make. Trying to blow them up into a strawman "strategy" is looking pretty pathetic. I know the pastures are barren in these parts, but damn. But mind you, I do think a strategy should definitely include using superior language skills, heavy doses of giving Trump unmitigated hell and exposing his counterproductive buffoonery to the maximum extent.

It is almost as if you don't want that.

As for your question, the answer to which is implicit, try the process of elimination. Who are not part of Trump's immovable 30%?

The ones between that group of immovable deplorables and the ones who would rather drink buzzard puke than vote for Trump are the ones who are in play.

You think they haven't already noticed he's a buffoon?

 

[Toontown]

Cool. So Robert E. Lee was just a member of the losing side in a war, not some American Nazi fighting to preserve an evil institution?

Twisting some more words up, are you? Having fun yet?

Actually, the nazis who were there at the scene of the crime are the ones who are currently seeking to resurrect an evil institution.

 

[Toontown]

You think they haven't already noticed he's a buffoon?

You think the fact that he's a buffoon should be studiously ignored, like an elephant in a room?

 

[acbytesla]

Cool. So Robert E. Lee was just a member of the losing side in a war, not some American Nazi fighting to preserve an evil institution?

Universal Amnesty was granted to all Confederate soldiers except for a select few which included Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee. Andrew Johnson issued a proclamation of amnesty and pardon that required Lee to apply for Amnesty and sign a loyalty oath to the US. But the pardon was never issued. The signed loyalty oath was found a hundred years later and the House voted to restore his citizenship in 1978 to fulfill the promise made to Lee by Johnson. The vote was 407 to 10. Biden was one of the 407.

Now if you ask me, the entire South committed treason. But the war is over and you move on.

FYI: Jefferson Davis refused to apply.

 

[theprestige]

You think the fact that he's a buffoon should be studiously ignored, like an elephant in a room?

I think everybody who can be reached on this point already knows it. Not harping on stuff people already know isn't ignoring that stuff.

It's gonna come across as telling people that you think they're too stupid to figure it out for themselves. This might make sense if your target audience were Trumpkins, whom you actually believe are that stupid.

But you say that's not your audience. I don't think a lot of swing voters are going to be much impressed by you repeatedly demsplaining Trump's buffoonery to them. Especially now you've acknowledged that they probably already know about it.

 

[Toontown]

I think everybody who can be reached on this point already knows it. Not harping on stuff people already know isn't ignoring that stuff.

It's gonna come across as telling people that you think they're too stupid to figure it out for themselves. This might make sense if your target audience were Trumpkins, whom you actually believe are that stupid.

But you say that's not your audience. I don't think a lot of swing voters are going to be much impressed by you repeatedly demsplaining Trump's buffoonery to them. Especially now you've acknowledged that they probably already know about it.

I guess I just don't understand what you think is wrong with engaging Trump on his many weaknesses, penetrating his thin skin, putting him on defense, and thereby causing him to repeatedly demonstrate his (counterproductive) buffoonery himself, on his own dime.

Which, if you study my infamous posts carefully and take them at face value without reconstructing them into grotesque strawmen, is what I already said. Long time and many posts ago.

I'm sure there would be plenty of time left over to present one's own positive ideas for the future, if that's your concern. And that's where you're going to lose the Trumpkins even if you refrain from being mean to the Trump. Presenting ideas appropriate for what is certain to be a very different future will alienate them, just like always.

 

[Toontown]

Now if you ask me, the entire South committed treason. But the war is over and you move on.

Well. Some move on. Others become mesmerized and transfixed by bright shiny objects made of tin foil.

 

[acbytesla]

Well. Some move on. Others become mesmerized and transfixed by bright shiny objects.

True. But Brainster is trying to make a big deal about I believe a freshman Congressmen's vote on something so uncontroversial at the time that only 10 out of 435 Representatives voted against it. This was also post Vietnam war and Carter just issued amnesty to thousands 9f draft dodgers etc. The country was in a forgiving mood.

 

[Toontown]

True. But Brainster is trying to make a big deal about I believe a freshman Congressmen's vote on something so uncontroversial at the time that only 10 out of 435 Representatives voted against it. This was also post Vietnam war and Carter just issued amnesty to thousands 9f draft dodgers etc. The country was in a forgiving mood.

I'm sure Brainster's sources neglected to mention all the surrounding circumstances. I'm glad you did. Now I won't have to look it up myself, to see exactly what facet of reality had been twisted this time.

 

[acbytesla]

I'm sure Brainster's sources neglected to mention all the surrounding circumstances. I'm glad you did. Now I won't have to look it up myself, to see exactly what facet of reality had been twisted this time.

I'm not a big fan of Biden. But I don't hate him either. There are things I like about him and things I don't. But what I don't find troubling is the nonsense. That he's too touchy feely or this absurdity. Biden is a good and honorable man. I don't like some of his votes, and he has made mistakes, but I know he cares and I would go to war with him.

 

[The Atheist]

Biden is a good and honorable man.

Mate, I hope you hand on your heart and typed that one-handed when you posted it.

Near brings a tear to my eye.

... and I would go to war with him.

In that case, I'd advise giving your breast-plate a good buffing, because he's going to need all the help he can find when the PACs unleash their attacks on him.

 

[acbytesla]

Mate, I hope you hand on your heart and typed that one-handed when you posted it.

Near brings a tear to my eye.

In that case, I'd advise giving your breast-plate a good buffing, because he's going to need all the help he can find when the PACs unleash their attacks on him.

Oh, nonsense. They're going to attack anyone who wins the Democratic nomination. And right now the GOP is probably afraid he will so they are going to try and kill his chances before it gets too far. It all they got is what I've heard so far, it's not a concern.

I see the GOP attack dogs have tried to gin up accusations that Buttigieg was guilty of sexual assault as well.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-r...e-pete-buttigieg-with-bogus-sex-assault-claim

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