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Mueller Investigation pt5

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Minoosh said:
I don't think he's gloating. I think he's suffering. Really.

But I might be the only one.
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Trump is certainly whining, but he does that a lot anyway so it doesn't tell us much. He was gloating before the report was revealed : I don't think he understood what Barr was doing when he was spinning it, and took him at his word. The man's a moron, but we've all known that for years, of course, even his toadies.
 
Stacyhs said:
What we now have to endure is at least 1.5 years of gloating from Drumpf. At least one and a half years of watching the self-satisfied smirk on the face of an orange turd with the emotional maturity of a 10 year old bully. :yikes:
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Minoosh said:
I don't think he's gloating. I think he's suffering. Really.

But I might be the only one.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
No, you're not the only one. He seems to be bouncing back and forth between berating 12 angry Democrat witch hunters and yippee! no collusion no obstruction.

I think he knows that Barr lied and the report is out now.
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Safe-Keeper said:
I agree with Minoosh, he is only gloating outwardly. He must be miserable these days, what with both Mueller's report and his obvious deteriorating mental state.
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I don't disagree at all that he's suffering underneath and still scared as hell about the state investigations, but it's still the outward gloating and the self-satisfied smirk we have to actually see. I don't think I can take another 1.5 years of "No Collusion! No Obstruction!" coming from the Orange Turd.
 
CapelDodger said:
Indeed. That's where he might well over-reach himself. Self-destruction in some form seems to me the most likely denouement of this salutory tale.
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It was his own Administration that appointed and protected the special counsel. Maybe he thinks that if he goes back to the dawn of time it will prove everyone was conspiring against Trump all along.
 
Stacyhs said:
I don't disagree at all that he's suffering underneath and still scared as hell about the state investigations, but it's still the outward gloating and the self-satisfied smirk we have to actually see. I don't think I can take another 1.5 years of "No Collusion! No Obstruction!" coming from the Orange Turd.
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I don't think anybody will be able to take it, including him. Even supporters may wonder why he can't let it go.

ETA: I have always wondered how many of his Twitter followers are genuine supporters. I think it may be a minority of them.

ETA2: I avoid looking at him, period. It's pure revulsion.
 
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Stacyhs said:
I don't disagree at all that he's suffering underneath and still scared as hell about the state investigations, but it's still the outward gloating and the self-satisfied smirk we have to actually see. I don't think I can take another 1.5 years of "No Collusion! No Obstruction!" coming from the Orange Turd.
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Yes we can :). Will that be enough for Trump, though? I doubt it. I think he's going to want retribution by any means, and there's nobody left to save him from himself.
 
Minoosh said:
Even if the media back-burnered it, which it won't, I think Trump would continue bouncing back and forth, brutalizing his fragile ego/nervous system.

Do you mean he knows Barr lied to him?
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This goes back to his mental illness: pathologic narcissism.

His brain cannot accept failure, literally. So any challenge of failure just kicks his brain into denial. At that point Barr is truthful and all the people saying Barr misrepresented the Mueller report are those people out to get Trump. They just want Trump impeached.

But that denial is very leaky because challenges to Barr's dishonesty are frequent and unavoidable. That leads to severe bouts of doubt and insecurity, most of which may stay at his unconscious level, allowing the denial to protect him (mentally). But our brains function on both conscious and unconscious levels.

The result is the denial is not quite as impervious as something like outright hallucinations would be. It causes lots and lots of stress.
 
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CapelDodger said:
Yes we can :). Will that be enough for Trump, though? I doubt it. I think he's going to want retribution by any means, and there's nobody left to save him from himself.
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His pattern of wanting revenge has already been growing as of late. Sounds like some of it has been behind the curtain. I think the more stress he's under as the Barr lie is not accepted by anyone except his core, the more he'll be trying to lash out. No telling how bad it's going to get.
 
Minoosh said:
It was his own Administration that appointed and protected the special counsel. Maybe he thinks that if he goes back to the dawn of time it will prove everyone was conspiring against Trump all along.
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Mueller was "conflicted", the investigation was "illegal", can Trump just let that go? He surely owes it to the nation to make such an example of the people responsible that the like never happens again.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
His pattern of wanting revenge has already been growing as of late. Sounds like some of it has been behind the curtain. I think the more stress he's under as the Barr lie is not accepted by anyone except his core, the more he'll be trying to lash out. No telling how bad it's going to get.
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Something ridiculous will have to fill the void left by the sublime Game of Thrones. Trump, with the help of the GOP, is just the man to provide it.
 
With Trump we might be witnessing a process not so very different, on a fundamental level, from than that concerning another delusional 'leader' who went down to ignominy in the mid-40s. Increasingly it's more and more of the world against him, with a diminishing coterie of loyal sycophants. Until lashing out against everything, wanting to burn it all down because no one is worthy of his greatness.

In detail of character there is much to differentiate. But in both cases we have a largely saner world consuming the cancer of a self-important 'messiah' whose Svengali-like charisma hoodwinked a frightful number of his nation's citizenry.

I wonder if deep in whatever self-reflective crevices of his sclerotic brain might exist, Trump realizes that through the history to follow his name will be invoked as an exemplar of so *many* of the lesser qualities of Man. Actually saddening is that he was utterly unwilling to permit the awesomeness of his position inspire him to improvement. Starting from such a low point of the miserable specimen he was, with just a modicum of realization and introspection, and the help from any half-assed administration, he could have risen to at least a level of adequacy. But no. His impulses and proclivities are unchangeable; the world has to adjust to him.

And so he goes, swirling down the drain to ignominy. Thankfully because the institutions he (largely) ineffectually sought to bend to his design stood sufficiently firm.
 
Minoosh said:
It was his own Administration that appointed and protected the special counsel. Maybe he thinks that if he goes back to the dawn of time it will prove everyone was conspiring against Trump all along.
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I think we have a better understanding now of the anonymous letter that was published last September now that the Mueller Report is out. It is worth reading again:

I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
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The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

I would know. I am one of them.
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But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.

Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.
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But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.

From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.
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The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.

It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html

And you KNOW Trump is out to get these people. He can't help seeking revenge any more than a cobra can help eating rats.
 
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Stacyhs said:
I think we have a better understanding now of the anonymous letter that was published last September now that the Mueller Report is out. It is worth reading again:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html
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Thanks for the reminder.


"... the author [is] a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure."
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That was in early September 2018. Is there a "senior official" from that era still in place?
 
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Trump Tweets

How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
 
Trump sure is worried about being impeached as he mentions it so much. Even if the Senate were to acquit him (and it would), I don't think he wants to go down in history as only the third president to have that distinction.
 
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