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Mueller Investigation pt5

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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

“Donald Trump was being framed, he fought back. That is not Obstruction.” @JesseBWatters I had the right to end the whole Witch Hunt if I wanted. I could have fired everyone, including Mueller, if I wanted. I chose not to. I had the RIGHT to use Executive Privilege. I didn’t!
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Nixon tried that - it became known as the "Saturday Night Massacre".

Ultimately, Nixon failed.
 
Roofgardener said:
Well, the report has now been released.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Firstly, No Russian collusion. End of.
Secondly, Barr didn't lie when he published his summary.
Thirdly, No evidence of obstruction, sufficient to bring charges.

I can hear the Liberals weeping and gnashing their teeth from here... and I live in the UK ! :D

I wonder how MSNBC will spin this ? :P
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Oh, you mean you read it?
 
portlandatheist said:
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...ort-public/h_9c4caf0f146c13f1511fdfc2116c55dd


Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be the political will and fortitude to impeach this POS. Maybe that is wise politically. Maybe. He clearly deserves to be impeached. 18 months cannot come soon enough.
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Interesting....

I think I now understand why republicans seem to be much much better at this game of political tug-o-war. If this were a democrat president, republicans would literally be climbing over top of each other (like 5 hours ago) to get the ball rolling on impeachment proceedings, upcoming election be damned.

Oh well. Six more years of the 'stable genius' it is then.

*shrug*
 
Wolrab said:
Isn't it the job of every country to screw with others in order to benefit them selves? It looks like some people think this hasn't gone on since the dawn of time.
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I was thinking that too. I don't think Russia even really tried to hide what it was doing.
 
Cabbage said:
And I still see no evidence to indicate you are right. I'll take Mueller's word over yours.
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Ok then, what does Mueller say was the specific suspected crime he wanted to interview Trump about? And what does Mueller say is the information he can only get from interviewing Trump and not from any other source?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The report is here
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I appreciate the link and, just skimming through, there is some astounding information in the Mueller Report. I don't understand how anyone who is a loyal American would want to gloss over the Russian cyber-attack on our nation or fail to be concerned with the way Trump and the Trump campaign behaved. People can continue to support him if they want, but they need to recognize there is a problem. There is absolutely no parallel in U.S. history for what happened in 2016.

The one problem I do have with the report is, it's in PDF image not PDF text format so it's not searchable. That hurts.
 
Ziggurat said:
Sure it was. You just choose to ignore it. For example:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/17/cincinnati-illegal-voting/2530119/
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Oh, wow! I'm impressed! One woman found to have voted illegally. Lessee here...Trump claimed MILLIONS of people voted illegally and set up a commission to investigate it. Would you like to tell us what it found? No?

The case I referred to was an
“unlawful,” “coordinated,” and well-funded plot to tamper with absentee ballots in a US House election
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Now Leslie McCrae Dowless, the local political operative contracted by Harris’s campaign whose activities were at the center of the investigation, has been indicted on three counts of obstruction of justice, two counts of conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice, and two counts of possessing an absentee ballot in violation of state law, according to the Wake County prosecutor’s office.

During last week’s hearing, state investigators established their theory of the case — that Dowless directed a coordinated scheme to unlawfully collect, falsely witness, and otherwise tamper with absentee ballots — and workers who said they had assisted him in the scheme delivered damning testimony.
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...lection-fraud-leslie-mcrae-dowless-indictment

No one has ever said that illegal voting has not taken place in isolated incidents, but please spare us the "only Dems get to vote twice" crap. If you want to play that game:


Iowa woman charged with voting twice for Trump pleads guilty
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https://www.google.com/search?sourc...20i263j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j33i160.LidNpDeFrHc
 
Ziggurat said:
Ok then, what does Mueller say was the specific suspected crime he wanted to interview Trump about? And what does Mueller say is the information he can only get from interviewing Trump and not from any other source?
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I'm not sure that he ever expressed that....and why would he? You're the only one I've heard claiming that as a necessity. If it's not a necessity there's no reason to expect such a statement.

Nevertheless, I'm at a loss as to why "Suspicion of Conspiracy" and Trump's personal involvement with/knowledge of such events as the Trump Tower meeting. wouldn't be a sufficient response from Mueller. Why do you think that wouldn't be sufficient?
 
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Roofgardener said:
Well, the report has now been released.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

No collusion.
Barr didn't lie.
No evidence of obstruction, sufficient to bring charges.

I can hear the Liberals weeping and gnashing their teeth from here... and I live in the UK ! :D

I wonder how MSNBC will spin this ? :P
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What, are you a speed reader? All 400 pages in a matter of minutes? Which right-wing website did you base this post on?
 
Ziggurat said:
Ok then, what does Mueller say was the specific suspected crime he wanted to interview Trump about? And what does Mueller say is the information he can only get from interviewing Trump and not from any other source?
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What he could only get from Trump was Trump under oath. He chose not to try.
 
Could this report at least stir up a Republican primary with some viable candidates?

ETA: It's probably bad to admit this, but when I clicked on the searchable version just the table of contents makes me feel incredibly weary. I don't have the stomach for it. It's too depressing. For now, anyway.
 
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Trump Tweets

It was a really great day for America! A special evening tonight on @TuckerCarlson, @seanhannity & @IngrahamAngle Will be very interesting!

Anything the Russians did concerning the 2016 Election was done while Obama was President. He was told about it and did nothing! Most importantly, the vote was not affected.

When there is not an underlying crime with regard to Collusion (in fact, the whole thing was a made up fraud), it is difficult to say that someone is obstructing something. There was no underlying crime.”
@marthamaccallum @FoxNews
 
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