Mueller Investigation pt5

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Absolutely loved Adam Schiff's reply to the Republicans saying he should resign.

Damn!

 
theprestige said:
That's not even a basketball analogy anymore.

I mean, to even try to make this analogy begin to work, you'd have to say that they're trying to win 50 different basketball games more or less simultaneously - which isn't physically possible in basketball.

And it's not really 50 games, because some games are more important than others, some games are easier to win than others, and your "team" doesn't even have the resources to actually play all 50 games in the first place. And even after making these adjustments, the analogy is still a hairy mess.
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I can't tell if you're over- or under-thinking it, but the point is that Trump won because he got more votes in key states, and it's simplistic to attribute that fact to one or even a handful of reasons. The question at hand, rather, is whether he would have won without votes influenced by the Russian campaign, which is something we'll never know.

"Baskets made by the Russians." What does that even mean? Someone posted an opinion on the Internet somewhere, and it cost Hillary the election? Why not just say that, instead of this tortured and tortuous sports metaphor?
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The biggest basket scored by the Russians was the hacked emails -- not because of the trivial scandals in them, but because of the way Trump and TrumpTV misrepresented them to low-information voters as evidence of all sorts of unethical and criminal behavior.
 
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The Big Dog said:
I've been out of town, how is the Mueller investigation going? should we expect lots more indictments before he is done like the Resistance said?
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I definitely expect more indictments before all the spin-off investigations are finished. I also expect more Resistance whether Barr tells us what Mueller found or he tries to cover it up.
 
theprestige said:
I'm not under any such impression. That's why I asked quadraginta to support his claim about the "express purpose" of the trolling.


I think the first is generally accepted.

How do you know that Putin preferred Trump?
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By the pro-trump, anti-hillary content being output by said troll farm.
 
acbytesla said:
Absolutely loved Adam Schiff's reply to the Republicans saying he should resign.

Damn!

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Normal people would be ashamed or embarrassed when they are called out like Schiff called out the Republicans. They abandoned shame long ago, when Obama was elected.
 
theprestige said:
What, like in a signed deposition? Under oath?

Or do you just unquestioningly believe whatever Uncle Vlad tells you?
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He said it to the media.

Believing his saying that does not mean that I believe anything he tells the public. Are you suggesting that people always lie or always tells the truth?
 
thaiboxerken said:
Normal people would be ashamed or embarrassed when they are called out like Schiff called out the Republicans. They abandoned shame long ago, when Obama was elected.
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They abandoned it a long, long, long time before that. Remember Joe McCarthy, aka Tailgunner Joe?

 
acbytesla said:
They abandoned it a long, long, long time before that. Remember Joe McCarthy, aka Tailgunner Joe?

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Right, but they tried to give the impression that they were ashamed of those actions shortly after. Heck, they were shamed into forcing Nixon out of office. Today's Republican's wouldn't have forced Nixon out.
 
theprestige said:
I'm not under any such impression. That's why I asked quadraginta to support his claim about the "express purpose" of the trolling.


I think the first is generally accepted.

How do you know that Putin preferred Trump?


We can certainly infer it from there, but that's very different from what quadraginta actually claimed. If your problem is the claim of "express purpose", then you and I are in agreement, and your complaints should be directed at quadraginta, not me.
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Putin said he preferred Trump when they met in Helsinki:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/putin-trump-election-translation/565481/

Beyond that, I think we have a confusion between "express purpose" (which I take to mean for the single, explicit goal) versus "purpose expressed" (which I take to mean they actually came out and SAID/EXPRESSED what their particular purpose was).

The two phrases mean quite different things and I honestly can't tell if this is deliberate obfuscation or simple misunderstanding.

But anyway, you can't really ask someone to support one (express purpose) by asking for the other (purpose expressed). Completely different meaning as far as I can tell.
 
Cabbage said:
Putin said he preferred Trump when they met in Helsinki:
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oh oh oh.. I know the rebuttal to this, courtesy of Prestige:

"What, like in a signed deposition? Under oath?

Or do you just unquestioningly believe whatever Uncle Vlad Trump tells you?"

I've heard people like Mulvaney and other Republicans defend Trump by saying words like "don't listen to what Trump says, look at his policies and actions....." then they lie about what Trump's policies and actions are.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
He said it to the media.

Believing his saying that does not mean that I believe anything he tells the public. Are you suggesting that people always lie or always tells the truth?
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If you're thinking about what he said in Helsinki, it appears Putin was mistranslated. He said he favored Trump, but he did not say that he directed officials to aid Trump's campaign.

This doesn't, of course, mean he didn't do so, but I don't know that he has ever publicly said that Russia's government interfered in the election.
 
phiwum said:
If you're thinking about what he said in Helsinki, it appears Putin was mistranslated. He said he favored Trump, but he did not say that he directed officials to aid Trump's campaign.

This doesn't, of course, mean he didn't do so, but I don't know that he has ever publicly said that Russia's government interfered in the election.
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Putin would never, ever admit that while alive. Maybe in his memoirs published after his death he'll brag about it.
 
That a man who has had political opponents murdered, that has imprisoned Russian police officers who -- sometimes unwittingly -- arrested the 'wrong people,' that has stolen and helped steal literally billions of dollars in Russian funds and property, that if this kind of man says he prefers Trump as president, that alone should make people not want to vote for Trump. But in this crazy time in our history none of that matters to some people. It seems nothing matters to them except indulging their fantasies about payback.
 
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