Obviously! Khomeini and his army of Muslim extremists killed the Marxists in a massacre in 1988, ten years after the Iranian revolution: 1988 executions of Iranian political prisoners: Dealing with the leftists.
Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?
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Obviously! Khomeini and his army of Muslim extremists killed the Marxists in a massacre in 1988, ten years after the Iranian revolution: 1988 executions of Iranian political prisoners: Dealing with the leftists.
Hey everybody ? New Zealand opened their parliament with a Muslim call to prayer 
This is truly a good thing but I'm curious why, in this day and age they didn't have woman perform it. Could you imagine how wonderful that would have looked for the cameras if New Zealand had brought in a famous Muslim like Sinead O'Connor do do the honours ? Fantastic ?
Uh oh, a little research says there's a teensy bit of a problem with doing that Imagine my shock and horror when I read that women were prohibited from performing the call. That came just after repeated listenings of O'Connor's stunning rendition of it too.
Oh well, it was a nice thought
This is truly a good thing but I'm curious why, in this day and age they didn't have woman perform it. Could you imagine how wonderful that would have looked for the cameras if New Zealand had brought in a famous Muslim like Sinead O'Connor do do the honours ? Fantastic ?
Uh oh, a little research says there's a teensy bit of a problem with doing that Imagine my shock and horror when I read that women were prohibited from performing the call. That came just after repeated listenings of O'Connor's stunning rendition of it too.
Oh well, it was a nice thought
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Wearing the religious specific attire of a group when you do not believe in the dogma of that group feels icky to me. I can understand the intent of wearing that attire as a symbol of solidarity...it personally feels more as mockery to me. Isn't the contention among individuals in this thread an example of the classic Emperor's Clothing Idiom?
Since I am outsider, it's more important how the collective Muslim community feels about it.
Symbolism is being applied inconsistently in this thread. When it came to the Confederate Flag, it was asserted by many that any representation of that flag meant that individual was racist, end of story. When asked why a particular individual was bearing that flag, the responses ranged from heritage to southern pride. Again, those accounts were ignored by some.
The discussion in this thread is the argument that the hajib does not represent oppression of woman, which is inconsistent with how we applied the rules of symbolism to the Confederate Flag.
Since I am outsider, it's more important how the collective Muslim community feels about it.
Symbolism is being applied inconsistently in this thread. When it came to the Confederate Flag, it was asserted by many that any representation of that flag meant that individual was racist, end of story. When asked why a particular individual was bearing that flag, the responses ranged from heritage to southern pride. Again, those accounts were ignored by some.
The discussion in this thread is the argument that the hajib does not represent oppression of woman, which is inconsistent with how we applied the rules of symbolism to the Confederate Flag.
dudalb
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You are comparing the wearing of a hajib to waving the Rebel Rag???
Words just fail me as to how wrong that is.
Just like a lot of the right wing garbage spouted here.
dudalb
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I think Peterson is full of crap, but I don't consider him dangerous.
And THAT is another concern I have. Labelling anybody whose political opinions you don't like as being somehow "dangerous" can censoring them.
And, yes, I have little confidence that politicians would not stoop to such measures givne the opportunity.
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Inconsistency is the bread and butter of identity politics, it's part of what makes it so interesting.
For instance, if you watch the videos of the call to prayer in Hagley Park and look at the audience what do you see ? You see a sea of men. Now a thinking person may wonder where the women are and also wonder if they openly accept being sent to "the back of the bus" and question whether this is a good thing.
For instance, if you watch the videos of the call to prayer in Hagley Park and look at the audience what do you see ? You see a sea of men. Now a thinking person may wonder where the women are and also wonder if they openly accept being sent to "the back of the bus" and question whether this is a good thing.
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"The only countries in the world worth living in are those based on Judaeo-Christian tradition and laws." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJaeThpnnVc
More importantly, he states that Muhammad was a warlord using his interpretation to support his empire building. You could use the same accusation against baby Jesus, and I think christians would be just as upset as muslims are at Petersen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yjdl3a-eRw
He's very careful not to come out and say "Islam is evil", but he enables those who do. He does exactly the same thing with his misogynistic views as well - package them in language and point that seem sensible, but which are really just tired old canards wrapped in glitter.
Nothing Petersen has to say has any merit whatsoever, so it's nobody's loss.
smartcooky
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Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ! I have seen some utter bollocks posted on this forum, but some of the crap posted in the couple of pages in this thread makes Trump look like a truthsayer.
For Jacinda to wear a head scarf to these events is NOT a sign of submission, NOT a sign of solidarity, NOT a sign of subjugation and NOT a sign of deference,
Its protocol!
ITS A MARK OF RESPECT FOR THE DEAD VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
I am an atheist. When I go to a funeral of a Christian friend, I wear a black armband; I recite the prayers, I sing the hymns, I close my eyes and bow my head at the request of the cleric. I do these things NOT because I believe any of it, but out of respect for my passed friend and what he believed in.
In the one occasion that my partner and I have been to a funeral of a Muslim friend, I, like everyone else, took my shoes off. My partner did also, and she also wore a head scarf. However, before doing to, we checked with his family to see if this was what they would normally expect. They said it was optional for us.
Anyone who thinks Jacinda just turned up wearing a headscarf has no bloody idea about politics. I can assure you the she or members of he staff will have checked first, with an Imam, to find what their preference was.
For Jacinda to wear a head scarf to these events is NOT a sign of submission, NOT a sign of solidarity, NOT a sign of subjugation and NOT a sign of deference,
Its protocol!
ITS A MARK OF RESPECT FOR THE DEAD VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
I am an atheist. When I go to a funeral of a Christian friend, I wear a black armband; I recite the prayers, I sing the hymns, I close my eyes and bow my head at the request of the cleric. I do these things NOT because I believe any of it, but out of respect for my passed friend and what he believed in.
In the one occasion that my partner and I have been to a funeral of a Muslim friend, I, like everyone else, took my shoes off. My partner did also, and she also wore a head scarf. However, before doing to, we checked with his family to see if this was what they would normally expect. They said it was optional for us.
Anyone who thinks Jacinda just turned up wearing a headscarf has no bloody idea about politics. I can assure you the she or members of he staff will have checked first, with an Imam, to find what their preference was.
smartcooky
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You're applying your Judeo-Christian standards to others of a different religion and culture. Some might call that judgemental.
Have you ever been to places like Thailand, or India, or Sri-Lanka, or Fiji or Japan? If not, then if you should ever manage to find you way out of your comfortable white middle-classed privileged existence and go there, you are in for a very rude shock!
The New Zealand response has been generally strategised to quell the revenge rage of Turkey and other countries, and is in my view a form of appeasement, but probably does achieve the greatest good for the greatest number. I find the education of muslim children within New Zealand with abject and proven lies to be a disgrace nevertheless.
In general the good parts of Islam are common sense, as in all religions, and the rest is nonsense.
In general the good parts of Islam are common sense, as in all religions, and the rest is nonsense.
Lol
Yeah it is was planned by 4.6 million people in one day
The geezer was an Aussie
Apart from being the venue and the victims we had not a lot to do with it
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May one point out that women are meant to have their hair covered in a RC church, and no one could claim that the RCC is anything but a patriarchal organisation in which you won't find a women presiding over mass....
Here is an example of someone bowing to the patriarchal RCC leader:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40030668 but perhaps a better example as she was known to be so submissive to the patriarchy... https://goo.gl/images/uPckA9
ETA: The more I've looked the more I am astonished at all these weak willed women so willing to bow down to a religion that considers them 2nd class https://goo.gl/images/Ci2zZv
Here is an example of someone bowing to the patriarchal RCC leader:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40030668 but perhaps a better example as she was known to be so submissive to the patriarchy... https://goo.gl/images/uPckA9
ETA: The more I've looked the more I am astonished at all these weak willed women so willing to bow down to a religion that considers them 2nd class https://goo.gl/images/Ci2zZv
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smartcooky
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How many of those catholic women would be beaten (legally, I might add) and/or sent to prison if they decided not to bow?
theprestige
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I was thinking maybe, "double standard" or "special pleading".
dudalb
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I wonder if Stout is just as shocked that Women are not allowed to be Priests and say Mass in the Catholic church, or that many Protestents Denominations do not allow Women Ministers.......
Not commeting about the right or wrongness of this, but methinks somebody might have a double standard.
dudalb
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Beat me too it.
But, to be fair, males are expected to bow down in the Catholic Church in some ceremonies as well.
And In Orthodox Jewish ceremonies, Women must have their heads covered is some ceremonies..the candle lighting at Sabbath for instance.
smartcooky
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Provide links to/evidence of this happening in New Zealand.
Goodness me, I didn't know it was so terrible for women in New Zealand.
ETA and I think you'll find only one of those women are RC.
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