Cont: Brexit: Now What? 7th heaven...

[Wudang]

It was posted on another forum by someone who said they saw it on The Poke. I have no idea what that is.

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/03/21/theresa-may-right-said-fred-brexit-anthem-times/

 

[Darat]

What is needed are the 'men in grey suits' to turn up at no. 10 Downing Street, cart off May Thatcher-style, and put in place a proper leadership to take control of the runaway cart, all wheels flying off.

Your memory so short? They did that back in December. And they lost

 

[catsmate]

No he doesn't support it. His Brexit keeps the UK in the customs union but restricts free movement of workers and protects workers rights.

He's doing bugger all to actually achieve this.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

It would be less bad than a no deal a week from now. Even if people still died, it would be proven who the executioner was. That too is worth a lot, come next election.

McHrozni

But the correct course of action at this point is not to exit the EU a week from now. Article 50 should be revoked until the people who want to leave can come up with a credible plan for it to happen.

Talk of General Elections, 2nd votes, new deals, or any of that nonsense has to saved until after the immediate threat is halted. And we can't keep having ticking time bombs and artificial deadlines.

Revoke it now.

 

[3point14]

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/03/21/theresa-may-right-said-fred-brexit-anthem-times/

Thanks

 

[Pixel42]

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/03/21/theresa-may-right-said-fred-brexit-anthem-times/

Thank you.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Everywhere seems to be reporting that Brexit is delayed now...but don't see anything that says the Government is bringing something to Parliament to make that happen. Or any date for MV3, or whether it will even be allowed to happen.

Kwasi Kwarteng has apparently said that a statutory instrument to delay Brexit will be laid before Parliament early next week, but hasn't yet given a timetable for this or MV3.

Meanwhile, the petition to revoke Article 50 has now passed 3 million signatures. At some point, even if the Government wants to ignore it, individual MPs will start noticing that there are a lot of voters speaking up here, and may be persuaded to reassess their employment futures if they do the same.

Dave

 

[Darat]

Speaking of failure. What's the latest on Farage's 'Trail if Jeers', anyone left?

Heard him on the Today programme, he claimed he walked 20 miles on Saturday and he will rejoin them this Saturday. And when asked after claiming the will of the people was increasing every week for a no deal exit how many would be there at the end he claimed 20 million.... in spirit.

He like his hero has realised that facts mean absolutely nothing these days so he can claim whatever he wants and simply lie. There are no negative consequences for his behaviour.

Interestingly he also stated if we had EU elections he would stand as the leader of the Brexit party, the one whose leader stepped down last week

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ne-blaiklock-resigns-over-anti-islam-messages

As they say you are often judged by the company you keep, so what did she expect?

 

[BobTheCoward]

The petition is currently at 2.6 million, it grew by 2 million in 24 hours. At this rate it's believable the Parliament will be facing five million signatures next week.
You can't ignore this and rant about "will of the people". You have to choose, it's one or the other.

McHrozni

16 million voted remain. 5 million is just a partial restatement of those results. It doesn't indicate results would be different.

 

[McHrozni]

But the correct course of action at this point is not to exit the EU a week from now. Article 50 should be revoked until the people who want to leave can come up with a credible plan for it to happen.

Talk of General Elections, 2nd votes, new deals, or any of that nonsense has to saved until after the immediate threat is halted. And we can't keep having ticking time bombs and artificial deadlines.

Revoke it now.

I agree.

At least 3 million Britons too, at this time.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

It went up by 2.3 million in 24 hours, just shy of 100k/hour, including the night. 5 million really is achievable by next week.

McHrozni

 

[McHrozni]

16 million voted remain. 5 million is just a partial restatement of those results. It doesn't indicate results would be different.

It does indicate the result could be different, it doesn't prove it.

If the will of the electorate changes as new information drips by the democratic thing to do is take it into account.

McHrozni

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

The vote was a lot closer than that, it was 312-308 on a backbench amendment to rule out no-deal and in any case, the vote is non-binding:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/13/mps-reject-no-deal-brexit-by-majority-of-four

That said, the referendum was closer, and was also non-binding. We're told that that must be abided by no matter how harmful it is for the country, so...

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I think it would.

I think the EU has long given off signs that they're sick to death of the entire thing and want us to **** or get off the pot. They've also been saying for a while now that May's deal is it and that there will be no further negotiations for a deal.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

WRT the petition, it's worth noting that there's one to have a no-deal Brexit that's been going for a couple of weeks now, which has fewer than 400,000 signatures.

 

[Darat]

Presumably the 'Men in grey suits' that did Thatcher in. A quiet tap on the shoulder, a few words about rebels potentially supporting a motion of no confidence, and out she goes.

Nope. The Tory party changed their rules, she can't be ousted by a no confidence vote until December of this year.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

He like his hero has realised that facts mean absolutely nothing these days so he can claim whatever he wants and simply lie. There are no negative consequences for his behaviour.

And that's the nub of it.

How do you overcome it when they can simply lie and nobody will challenge them and they simply get invited on TV again to lie more?

 

[BobTheCoward]

It does indicate the result could be different, it doesn't prove it.

If the will of the electorate changes as new information drips by the democratic thing to do is take it into account.

McHrozni

A) it indicates it could be different? How? A third of the people that voted for a position went online. How is that an indicator.

B) if it needs another direct vote when the will changes, that means to he more wishy washy you are, the more votes you get. That seems undemocratic to vary the votes like that.

 

[Mojo]

When I was a 10 years old kind I was wondering why de Gaulle didn't want the UK becoming member of the Common Market.

42 years later I finally understood de Gaulle reasons...

In Wille Rushton’s The Reluctant Euro there’s a cartoon of Edward Heath saying “I don’t see how he can possibly say no.”

De Gaulle: “Non!”

Heath: “I hadn’t thought of that.”

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1109058954309586944

this is a truly extraordinary thing for a UK prime minister to have said, as relayed via Vince Cable to @faisalislam

Video embedded in tweet. The TL/DW version is that in the latest meeting Theresa May was asked "what about the pain" to the UK public in the case of a no deal exit, and her reply was "the people voted for pain".

 

[KDLarsen]

Nope. The Tory party changed their rules, she can't be ousted by a no confidence vote until December of this year.

I should have been more precise: A vote of no confidence in the House of Commons.