theprestige
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Like I said, I think it's a weak point. But that's different from having no point, which was the claim.
Unless you're doing that thing where points you don't agree with don't count.
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Like I said, I think it's a weak point. But that's different from having no point, which was the claim.
Unless you're doing that thing where points you don't agree with don't count.
d4m10n
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It's such an attenuated claim, I'm having trouble seeing it as pointful in the least.
One could just as easily say that Omar's criticism of AIPAC leads more American Jews to make Aliyah, thereby swelling the ranks of the IDF and contributing to the oppression of Palestinian Muslims. I just made that up on the spot, and it's utterly pointless since there is no way to verify or falsify such things.
One could just as easily say that Omar's criticism of AIPAC leads more American Jews to make Aliyah, thereby swelling the ranks of the IDF and contributing to the oppression of Palestinian Muslims. I just made that up on the spot, and it's utterly pointless since there is no way to verify or falsify such things.
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If you read the Omar thread then you know I'm an Omar supporter and I pointedly don't think she was actually writing antisemitic things. But I also don't think Chelsea was operating in bad faith.
I mean I read a lot of really terrible things directed at Omar during that fiasco (let us not forget it ended with some idiot linking her to September 11 in West Virginia) and Chelsea's tweets were so far down the list of things that irritated me I had even forgotten she ever was involved. She, at least, made it clear she wanted to work with Omar to help her message better and avoid the pitfalls that come with everyone being hyper sensitive over criticism of Israel.
Ultimately it is possible to see the nuance here that Omar is not an antisemite and Chelsea is not an Islamaphobe. In my opinion they are both nice people that ended up initially talking past each other but came together in the end to recognize they are allies. If only the Bernie fanatics could understand such things.
I mean I read a lot of really terrible things directed at Omar during that fiasco (let us not forget it ended with some idiot linking her to September 11 in West Virginia) and Chelsea's tweets were so far down the list of things that irritated me I had even forgotten she ever was involved. She, at least, made it clear she wanted to work with Omar to help her message better and avoid the pitfalls that come with everyone being hyper sensitive over criticism of Israel.
Ultimately it is possible to see the nuance here that Omar is not an antisemite and Chelsea is not an Islamaphobe. In my opinion they are both nice people that ended up initially talking past each other but came together in the end to recognize they are allies. If only the Bernie fanatics could understand such things.
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Yes! Talking past each other, but letting it go and recognizing that they are allies. Truly a mature way to handle conflict.
Then we have this
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What about Bernie Sanders. What does he think of it?
Travis
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Yes! Talking past each other, but letting it go and recognizing that they are allies. Truly a mature way to handle conflict.
Then we have this
Hey, my cave sealing plan seemed very sensible for about 24 hours.
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The way some people here are running to defend Princess Chelsea from the evil brown girl who dared speak her mind.
It's a little icky.
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Your interpretation is ludicrous.
Is it though? Tell me how.
The girl who dared confront Princess Chelsea was absolutely flooded with hate on social media, to the point that she deleted her accounts on several platforms iirc.
I honestly think that a lot of the time, you US Dems are even worse than the US Repubs.
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Travis
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Wow. So she got blowback from making a ridiculous accusation against a young woman who isn't in politics? Seems like maybe there was a lesson to be learned in there.
1) Are you seriously claiming that Chelsea Clinton is not a public figure?
2) What is "the lesson to be learned" here?
Edit: Pulling the "young woman" card is pretty funny. Chelsea Clinton is a fully grown 39 year old woman. That's the exact age I am, and I don't feel particulary young. She was confronted by a 19 year old girl.
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Travis
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Chelsea is a public figure only because of accident of birth. Are we allowed to yell incoherent accusations at any child of someone we hate? Is that the kind of toxic behavior we want to champion?
Keep in mind that Chelsea was arriving to attend a prayer vigil in remembrance of victims of a massacre. What a monster! Clearly the actions of new She Hitler.
If that blowup hadn't happened Chelsea would have just been there like anyone else trying to process the grief and sadness of the situation. The one who turned her into a "princess" was the girl that decided she couldn't just be there being quiet she had to find her and yell at her.
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...by people whose anti-Bernie obsession is pretty clearly driven by their failure to just let go of the fact that Chelsea's mother lost and the desperate need for someone to blame for that other than herself. Ya, it's all perfectly transparent. It was clear even during & before her Presidential run against Obama ages ago, for that matter even when they were already pushing for her for President during Bill's & GWB's Presidencies before she'd ever gotten anywhere near running for it yet herself. The Clintonites are an unmistakable Cult Of Personality... just like Trumpers in their own way.
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Oh, wait, nevermind, I forgot, nothing must have actually happened to the Evil Chealsea Hater after all, because Bernie Bros are the ones who do that kind of thing to others, not the ones who get it done to them!
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I reckon I should preface my comments with an irrelevant factoid: The first time I ever donated money to a politician, it was to Jerry Brown who was opposing Bill Clinton in the primaries. That sums up my opinion of Bill and Hillary.
That said, I don't know whose comments are more inane -- the "evil brown girl" or you, both doing your best imitation of a frothing, fact-free zealot.
d4m10n
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So far as I can tell, Ms. Clinton is also flooded with hate on social platforms.
This tells us nothing about whether she was right or wrong, of course.
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I happen to think Chelsea was right in her tweet about Omar, but at the same time, it is BS to say that Chelsea is only a public figure because of birth. It is what caused her to be a public figure, yes, but she's no Amy Carter or Caroline Kennedy. She's been a correspondent for NBC News and she quite obviously interjected herself into the public conversation on this particular topic.
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Travis
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She did offer an opinion. Yes.
But I was someone that was on Omar's side and what I saw in Chelsea's tweets were just so not anything that registered to me as objectionable. And if that girl didn't want people finding her old tweets where she throws around homophobic slurs and seems to desire the destruction of Israel, well don't have your friend film your outburst then post it on social media with a request for money.