Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

[PhantomWolf]

Probably the most eye opening, blindingly obvious, when I actually think about it sentence on the whole thread.

I think that you and others are underestimating how easy it is to get weapons in Australia. Do some research, there are a lot of legal guns available, and a heck of a lot of illegal ones too.

Here's an interesting question for you, if Australia's gun control laws make them so much safer, then why are our average gun deaths per 100,000 people almost identical? (within 0.03)

 

[cullennz]

As to the guns, assuming the PM was correct as well as experts who have discussed it, the guns were A class ones that had been modified to be E class, so it's quite possible he might have been about to get and modify them in Australia too. The Magazines are totally illegal here, so here or Australia doesn't matter.

Tbf Phantom. He did it here because it was obviously easier

To deny this is a bit naive

 

[lionking]

I don’t think allowing hunters the right to keep shooting at prey is a good enough reason for semi automatics to be available to the public at large. Hunting still happens in Australia without semi automatics.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I don’t think allowing hunters the right to keep shooting at prey is a good enough reason for semi automatics to be available to the public at large. Hunting still happens in Australia without semi automatics.

What's wrong with this gun? Or this one? How about this one? Which of them are designed to kill people?

How about this one? It's a competition target shooting rifle.

This is the thing, not all rifles are the same, and semi-automatic does not equal made to kill people.

 

[lionking]

What's wrong with this gun? Or this one? How about this one? Which of them are designed to kill people?

How about this one? It's a competition target shooting rifle.

This is the thing, not all rifles are the same, and semi-automatic does not equal made to kill people.

You are asking me what is wrong with certain guns? I’d ban them all.

But it’s not my opinion that’s important, it’s society’s. In Australia society decided to ban semi automatics. We have survived. I hope NZ does the same. Hunters’ wishes means **** all.

 

[cullennz]

I don’t think allowing hunters the right to keep shooting at prey is a good enough reason for semi automatics to be available to the public at large. Hunting still happens in Australia without semi automatics.

If you need more than one shot to kill a deer then you shouldn't be allowed to hunt deer is what the old man used to say.

 

[PhantomWolf]

You are asking me what is wrong with certain guns? I’d ban them all.

But it’s not my opinion that’s important, it’s society’s. In Australia society decided to ban semi automatics. We have survived. I hope NZ does the same. Hunters’ wishes means **** all.

You plan to ban all knives too? How about swords? Heck swords really are made to kill people and you can own them in Australia without a licence! What about Slingshots? Fireworks? Cars? Vans? Bows and arrows? Rocks? Or is it just guns you have issues with?

ETA: I'll point out that nearly 40% of all homicides in Australia are stabbings. Guns account for just 13%

 

[lionking]

You plan to ban all knives too? How about swords? Heck swords really are made to kill people and you can own them in Australia without a licence! What about Slingshots? Fireworks? Cars? Vans? Bows and arrows? Rocks? Or is it just guns you have issues with?

ETA: I'll point out that nearly 40% of all homicides in Australia are stabbings. Guns account for just 13%

Irrelevant nonsense. What is this thread about? It’s not knives or bows and arrows. But this has what I have come to expect from gun “enthusiasts”. At least you didn’t bring in golf clubs, swimming pools and paper cuts as others have.

You can’t really believe what you have posted here.

Ban semi automatics in NZ. I expect this to happen.

 

[cullennz]

You plan to ban all knives too? How about swords? Heck swords really are made to kill people and you can own them in Australia without a licence! What about Slingshots? Fireworks? Cars? Vans? Bows and arrows? Rocks? Or is it just guns you have issues with?

ETA: I'll point out that nearly 40% of all homicides in Australia are stabbings. Guns account for just 13%

a) You can't kill 49 people with one knife without super powers

b) No one has said regulating swords

c) Not sure how "just 13%" is a bad thing

 

[lionking]

You plan to ban all knives too? How about swords? Heck swords really are made to kill people and you can own them in Australia without a licence! What about Slingshots? Fireworks? Cars? Vans? Bows and arrows? Rocks? Or is it just guns you have issues with?

ETA: I'll point out that nearly 40% of all homicides in Australia are stabbings. Guns account for just 13%

Oh I nearly missed this.

Swords were declared prohibited weapons in Victoria in 2004, making it illegal to use, possess or carry them.

States have laws to restrict swords. I can find other state restrictions, but can’t really be bothered. Your arguments are ridiculous.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Irrelevant nonsense. What is this thread about? It’s not knives or bows and arrows. But this has what I have come to expect from gun “enthusiasts”. At least you didn’t bring in golf clubs, swimming pools and paper cuts as others have.

Seriously? You want to throw that ad hominem at me? I have used a gun exactly 3 times in my life. Twice using 22's for target shooting, and once using an air pellet gun for target shooting. I don't own a gun, I have no plans to own a gun, I don't have a gun licence, I have never applied for a gun licence, and I have no intentions of applying for one. And yet your argument is to use an Ad hominem and accuse me of being a Gun enthusiast.

You can’t really believe what you have posted here.

Unlike you I'd not a rapid anti gun nutter, which you just proved yourself to be. The facts are that most gun owners use them safety and appropriately, gun crime in both NZ and Australia is exceeding low, and punishing law abiding gun owners who use them totally appropriately because of a slim number of people that don't is ridiculous, as ridiculous as calling for all knifes to be banned because they are the most common weapon used in murders in our two countries.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Oh I nearly missed this.



States have laws to restrict swords. I can find other state restrictions, but can’t really be bothered. Your arguments are ridiculous.

Go and check the laws, if you have them for certain reasons you are exempt from those laws.

 

[cullennz]

Zero reason to post this other than it is nice tribute from Aus


Sydney Opera house

 

[lionking]

PhantomWolf

Perhaps you are just a sword enthusiast. Doesn’t matter. Your arguments supporting semi automatics are still rubbish.

 

[PhantomWolf]

a) You can't kill 49 people with one knife without super powers

Perhaps, 19 killed and 26 injured has occurred. 84 People were killed in Nice by the truck terrorist, should we ban trucks based on that?

Not sure how "just 13%" is a bad thing

Depends on the overall numbers the 13% is part of. Here in NZ we average about 5-6 gun deaths a years (this year is going to blow things out of proportion for a bit) The question is should we allow these abhorrent and aberrant events cause us to make draconian laws that profoundly affect law abiding citizens because for events caused by a single individual that might simply never happen again because they are so far outside of normal behavior.

 

[GlennB]

This always bears repeating. However, cue the poster who reckons that hunters sometimes need to get off multiple shots quickly .... No hunter me, but I'd say that that hunter needs to be a better shot rather than rely on semi-auto capability.

Semi-automatics merely reload for you, that is it. There are a lot of semi-automatic hunting rifles, which means that if you miss you can quickly fire again without having to take your eyes off your target to reload.

Incidentally, I'v played rugby precisely zero times in my life, but it would be perfectly correct to call me a "rugby enthusiast".

 

[PhantomWolf]

PhantomWolf

Perhaps you are just a sword enthusiast. Doesn’t matter. Your arguments supporting semi automatics are still rubbish.

While I do like swords, I don't have any of them either, though admittedly I'd rather own swords well before guns.

As to arguments, since having them is the default position, then really you need to be the one arguing why they shouldn't be legal, all you have done so far is whine that they are scary.

 

[lionking]

The question is should we allow these abhorrent and aberrant events cause us to make draconian laws that profoundly affect law abiding citizens because for events caused by a single individual that might simply never happen again because they are so far outside of normal behavior.

And the answer is yes, as your government will so decide.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Incidentally, I'v played rugby precisely zero times in my life, but it would be perfectly correct to call me a "rugby enthusiast".

I know more about Rugby than guns, in fact I know more about cars than guns, and I'd be the last person you would be calling to fix anything on your car, unless you just needed petrol or perhaps oil. (There are several different types of oil and I have no clue which is the best for which car, so that might be bad too.)

 

[PhantomWolf]

And the answer is yes, as your government will so decide.

The Government should, and hopefully will listen to the people and make a rational decision, rather than a knee jerk one.

Quite simply making draconian laws that negatively affect law abiding people over the extremely rare act of one idiot, that's a good way to end up in a tyranny.