Belz...
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Except that I already have and you ignored it. As I said, pretending to not understand the basics of the discussion is a tired old trick, known now as bobbing, which won't endear you to anyone.
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Except that I already have and you ignored it. As I said, pretending to not understand the basics of the discussion is a tired old trick, known now as bobbing, which won't endear you to anyone.
But you would be perfectly happy with the current heavy weight champion of the world facing the womens
Let me give you an example
A couple of years ago the US Womens National football/soccer team had a warm up match before their international against Russia
The US womens football team is ranked number one in the world in womens football
The warm up match was against the FC Dallas Under 15 boys team
The women lost 5-2
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...team-suffer-5-2-loss-FC-Dallas-U-15-boys.html
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All top male Olympic athletes should now report in dresses. Gold medals for all.........Notice to all Feminists: Your Olympic dreams are over, back to the kitchen because the men have taken back every inch of ground you've gained. All is right with the World? Or are we rethinking some of the choices we've made as a society?
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Yes, that's arguably a fair competition.
But it's not an interesting one. It's not a competition that can sustain an audience. Hell, Federer and Williams themselves probably wouldn't be interested in it.
I'm happy to keep fairness out of the discussion. But audience interest matters. Sports need an audience. And in the long run, audiences aren't going to be interested in seeing transwomen trouncing women. Fair or not, it's just not interesting.
Belz...
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None of that is true, nor does it have anything to do with your irrelevant point; so it's doubly irrelevant on top of being a lie. Nicely done.
It's irrelevant because it's already built into the discussion. When we're talking about women being excluded or trans people being included, obviously we're not talking about those who don't qualify for the competition. That you don't see that is sad and depressing.
No more so than you are throwing cis-women under the bus.
Your ideal world, no matter how much you demand we just don't notice, would have little to no cis-women being able to functionally compete.
Again your argument would leave us with a functioning "Biological Men Who Identify as Men" League and a league that would be dominated by biological men who identify as women, with cis-women a statistical anomaly at best.
You're worldview excludes a lot more people then the one you are railing against.
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If I picked a team for something and I got to choose from an equally talented pool of trans women or cis women , ten times out of ten I am picking the trans women. I could not name a single person who understands sport who would pick differently. And this would only become a stronger trend as more trans athletes began to competing, increasing not inky personal talent but talent pool.
Great for 1% of the population pretty **** for 49%.
I don't really see how this syncs with the concept of sport or equality.
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Would I? Where did I say that?
*HEAD DESK* I give up. He's gone full Bob.
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*Very slowly*
Okay... let me know where I lose you here because I'm starting to agree with Belz that it's seeming more and more like you're doing this on purpose.
If the top .01% of female athletes, the ones competing at high level professional, Olympic, stuff like that levels are overwhelmingly dominated by trans-female athletes, it excludes cis-women athletes from top level competition.
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This would not be my ideal world. You seem to be assuming things I haven't said.
Perhaps you could tell me what you think my argument is? Because I think at least one of us is confused about that
No, it literally doesn't as I have explained previously. But then again I haven't been arguing for a particular solution.
You mean "You have no opinion about that?" Yeah heard that before.
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You certainly seem to be arguing against excluding trans women from competing against women. So it looks like you're at least arguing for a class of solutions.
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It's a big issue to the LGBTQI community that's trying to improve society's tolerance and respect for transsexuals.
And it's a big issue for all of us who want an inclusive society that treats minorities as first-class citizens, just as deserving of our support and accommodation as the majority.
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And I will say it even slower.... if the top 0.1% of the population are transwomen displacing ciswomen then they are excluding the 0.1% of ciswomen who would have been competing at the top. Not ALL women.
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If they want one, go for it
A bunch of transwomen destroying women in sport is hardly going to promote respect and tolerance imho
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