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David Icke's Visa Cancelled

Folks, this has nothing whatsoever to do with what Icke's rights are, and nothing whatsoever to do with free speech or freedom of expression. What it DOES have everything to do with is the right of the Australian Government to choose who they allow to enter their country. No-one other than Australian Citizens and foreign nationals with Australian residency have the right to enter Australia. You'll find that right applies to every country in the world.

Australia has refused an entry visa for David Icke because they do not consider him to be of sufficiently good character to be worthy of the privilege of being granted entry. That is their prerogative. While I personally do not agree with their decision (for all the reasons I have stated earlier) I nonetheless support their right to make it.

Far right speakers Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux were refused visas to enter New Zealand last year. David Irving was refused in 2004 (he is permanently banned actually). I disagreed with those decisions, but I stand by my government's right to make them.
 
smartcooky said:
Folks, this has nothing whatsoever to do with what Icke's rights are, and nothing whatsoever to do with free speech or freedom of expression. What it DOES have everything to do with is the right of the Australian Government to choose who they allow to enter their country. No-one other than Australian Citizens and foreign nationals with Australian residency have the right to enter Australia. You'll find that right applies to every country in the world.

Australia has refused an entry visa for David Icke because they do not consider him to be of sufficiently good character to be worthy of the privilege of being granted entry. That is their prerogative. While I personally do not agree with their decision (for all the reasons I have stated earlier) I nonetheless support their right to make it.

Far right speakers Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux were refused visas to enter New Zealand last year. David Irving was refused in 2004 (he is permanently banned actually). I disagreed with those decisions, but I stand by my government's right to make them.
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Can't argue with this.
 
Childlike Empress said:
With a David Icke tour suppressed by the government Australia is missing out posing as an open society.
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Australia is just paying the UK back for denying Chopper Reid a Visa to promote his own brand of beer, which I was very much looking forward to trying. Maybe Icke can get his life together enough to start brewing a nice, strong ale, then maybe he can enter Oz like the imaginative wizard he pretends he is.
 
Childlike Empress said:
And the argument he himself makes for not being anti-semitic (while being very outspoken about the racist politics of the state of Israel) is quite profound. Contrary to most USA conspiracy theorists, Icke is not a religious nutter. What made him end up on that Wogan show in his turquoise tracksuit was a strong psychedelic trip on Ayahuasca, which he is not shy to talk about. And the consequence of this experience is that at the core of his nutty story, there is a profound truth: We are all the same consciousness, just experiencing the same reality through a different vehicle (body). From that perspective, racism is ludicrous and Icke is genuinely watching the world through this (correct) perspective.
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This is meaningless. Feel good fluff. Even notions of individual continuous identity are problematic. Statements about a shared experience of the human condition do the same work without helping yourself to vacuous and unjustified metaphysics.
 
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Gilbert Syndrome said:
Australia is just paying the UK back for denying Chopper Reid a Visa to promote his own brand of beer, which I was very much looking forward to trying. Maybe Icke can get his life together enough to start brewing a nice, strong ale, then maybe he can enter Oz like the imaginative wizard he pretends he is.
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Maybe also murder a few people first. All bad guys of course.
 
zooterkin said:
How did stopping him also stop the beer?
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Not sure exactly, but as far as I know, the whole event was cancelled. I was speaking to him and his wife on Myspace around the time, and they both claimed that he'd been denied a Visa to enter the UK. The beer was called Chopper Heavy, and was brewed by a small independent company, I'm assuming part of the funding was centered around his appearance. I think the beer was made available in Australia, just not in the UK, though it may have gotten here since then, I dunno.
 
Sideroxylon said:
This is meaningless. Feel good fluff. Even notions of individual continuous identity are problematic. Statements about a shared experience of the human condition do the same work without helping yourself to vacuous and unjustified metaphysics.
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Are you now prepared to admit that you parroted a lie claiming Icke denies the holocaust or do you still feel the need to deflect?
 
arthwollipot said:
I am not privy to the reasons behind the Minister's decision beyond what has already been reported.
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He's an official of your democratic government. He answers to you. Outside of certain matters of national security and personal privacy, his decisions are supposed to be transparent to you.

He has not given you a good reason to deny Icke's entrance. Why is it so hard for you to just plainly say so?
 
Childlike Empress said:
Are you now prepared to admit that you parroted a lie claiming Icke denies the holocaust or do you still feel the need to deflect?
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No.

“In Icke’s books there is the whole of existence, on this planet and several others, to think about,” Walker said in the column, specifically noting And the Truth Shall Set You Free, in which Icke variously argues both that Jews funded the Holocaust and that maybe the Holocaust did not happen. Icke’s books, Walker says, are “a curious person’s dream come true.”
https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/12/20/18146628/alice-walker-david-icke-anti-semitic-new-york-times

David Icke, as the cultural Bower bird with diarrhea, has plucked antiSemitic tropes like the Rothschilds and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and presents them in his **** nest display, to be admired by many kinds of loons.
 
Gilbert Syndrome said:
As ole Chopper would've said, never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn, he and Icke have that in common!
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That’s true but as far as I know David Icke has not murdered anyone. I find the adoration of the Mark Read disturbing. Feel the same way about Ned Kelly.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
No.

“In Icke’s books there is the whole of existence, on this planet and several others, to think about,” Walker said in the column, specifically noting And the Truth Shall Set You Free, in which Icke variously argues both that Jews funded the Holocaust and that maybe the Holocaust did not happen. Icke’s books, Walker says, are “a curious person’s dream come true.”
https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/12/20/18146628/alice-walker-david-icke-anti-semitic-new-york-times

David Icke, as the cultural Bower bird with diarrhea, has plucked antiSemitic tropes like the Rothschilds and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and presents them in his **** nest display, to be admired by many kinds of loons.
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Ah, there we go. That book is 24 years old and easy to find as pdf on the internet. And indeed. there's a page at the beginning of a chapter where he essentially makes a free speech argument about the holocaust without any claims of his own. Interestingly, it contains this:

page 118 said:
As Professor Yehuda Bauer, the chairman of the Vidal Sassoon Centre for the
Study of Anti-Semitism, said, "Someone is misusing people's fears and obsessions
and presenting things we know today did not happen".1 He was reacting to stories
about 'human soap' which holocaust 'experts' have said the Nazis made out of the
bodies of Jewish victims in the concentration camps. This has become an accepted
'fact', but Professor Bauer said there was no documentary evidence that any such
thing took place.
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I learned about the soup and the lampshades in school, only a few years before he wrote that in 1995. Today we know this was (IIRC Soviet) propaganda.

Anyway, that's a different topic. So if that's all you have been able to find you can call Noam Chomsky a "holocaust denier" as well. Stick to the bizarre stuff Icke really claims and believes instead of making something up to color silly censorship in friendlier design.
 
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“If the experts lied about the soap to trigger people’s fear, what else are they lying about?”

I am not making anything up here. Many agencies are reporting him as a Holocaust denier and the accusations seem to have their origins in this book. The passage you quote is at least a dog whistle given the fact that a lot of his reptiles just so happen to be Jews, and so much of his shtick is a reworking of antiSemitic globalist tropes.

He is not being censored but merely denied a visa on character grounds. Stop trying to spin that.
 
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It shows how fake the mainstream narrative is. 'Everybody' says one thing but when you look into it the whole 'anti-semitism' hysteria originates from possible implications of a misinterpretation of a paragraph in a book published 25 years ago. Icke is a nutter, yes, but isn't it ironic that he warns against precisely this type of thing.
 
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