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Given the quality of logic used far too often by those on the right, showing that it actually applies meaningfully in any particular case they they want to apply it to is entirely skipped when it comes to what they believe.

It's a trait of the average right-winger's arguments that I've seen rather consistently across many topics.

Interestingly, in my decades as a Republican, I viewed liberal Democrats as similarly logic-impaired. I won’t derail the thread with specifics, but in a general sense I found Republicans more pragmatic and logical in their solutions to problems. And thought the Democrats as a whole had good intentions, but often ignored the unintended consequences of their policies.

But the last 2+ years has certainly disabused me of any such thoughts, so no need to point out the unprincipled cesspool that the Republican Party has become - and that I no longer affiliate with.
 
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Interestingly, in my decades as a Republican, I viewed liberal Democrats as similarly logic-impaired. I won’t derail the thread with specifics, but in a general sense I found Republicans more pragmatic and logical in their solutions to problems. And thought the Democrats as a whole had good intentions, but often ignored the unintended consequences of their policies.

But the last 2+ years has certainly disabused be of any such thoughts, so no need to point out the unprincipled cesspool that the Republican Party has become - and that I no longer affiliate with.

It may well be worthwhile to note that Democrats certainly are very much human as well, and thus also notably fallible. I don't regard the Democratic Party, as a whole, as particularly better or worse intellectually than they were, say, 20 years ago. I consider the Democrats somewhat iffy, overall, but with their hearts largely in the right places. Mostly, at least, because a number of them are overly influenced by big money pusher agendas still. With that said, the depths that the Republican Party has sunk to has certainly provoked a distinct movement among the Democrats to clean things up and alter the status quo for the better. That's a good thing. May it last and be quite impactful.

The current Republican Party is indeed a blatantly obviously unprincipled cesspool, one which caters directly to the big money pushers. 20 years ago, though, to carry on the example, they were at least much more defensible and less obvious. Furthermore, they were notably better intellectually then compared to now, I'd say. Still catering directly to the big money pushers, though, but with much more on their plates.

Either way, I can still respect actual conservatives, even if I may disagree with them frequently, and think that they should very much be a respected part of the conversation to temper and help identify the actual problems in more liberal proposals.
 
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Furthermore, they were notably better intellectually then compared to now, I'd say.

I agree. There’s an interesting documentary about debates between William F. Buckley and Gore Vidal that I think exemplifies this.

I’ll see if I can find it...

Here you go:

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Available on Netflix and worth a watch.

Shows how far the Republican Party has sunk.
 
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I agree. There’s an interesting documentary about debates between William F. Buckley and Gore Vidal that I think exemplifies this.

I’ll see if I can find it...

Here you go:

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Available on Netflix and worth a watch.

Shows how far the Republican Party has sunk.

No kidding. Those guys had brains. Who is at the top of the Republican intellectual pile now?
 
No she is not.

My question was serious.

George Will is still a thoughtful commentator, but of course, he is no longer a Republican.

David Brooks is also pretty good and still a Republican, far as I know, but he's hardly influential in the new GOP.
 
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“These guys, the investigators, ought to be in jail. What they have done, working with the Obama intelligence agencies, is simply unprecedented. This is one of the greatest political hoaxes ever perpetrated on the people of this Country, and Mueller is a coverup.” Rush Limbaugh
 
I thought as President they were his agencies.
He did too. Just that he thought that they were HIS, Trump's personal Praetorian Guard. His own Leibstandarte. Working for HIM. To protect HIM.

And so did Rush. So now we know what Rush thinks about the US constitution - it's there to make his president an unassailable dictator.
 
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NEW: Cambridge Analytica employee who worked on Brexit is subpoeaned by Robert Mueller. This is BIG. Brittany Kaiser - who sat next to @arron_banks at LeaveEU launch - becomes subject of Mueller inquiry into Trump-Russia collusion ������

More details in the rest of the thread, and article embedded in the first tweet.
 
https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/1096801529149997057

Wow. In conversation with ⁦@DavidKris⁩ and ⁦@n8jones81, former FISA Presiding Judge John Bates addresses the controversy over the Carter Page FISA application.⁩

"I will note and note with some force that I have seen nothing that indicates that the court was misled, that the Department of Justice or the intelligence community made misrepresentations to the court....

... And not only have I seen nothing that would indicate that, I have heard nothing that persuasively makes that case."

More embedded in first tweet.
 
No she is not.

My question was serious.

David Frum
Rick Wilson
David Brooks
Tom Nichols
James Kirchick
there are others but intellectualism seems to be the polar opposite of populism, a disease that no part of the political spectrum is immune to.
 
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The Mueller investigation is totally conflicted, illegal and rigged! Should never have been allowed to begin, except for the Collusion and many crimes committed by the Democrats. Witch Hunt!

Disgraced FBI Acting Director Andrew McCabe pretends to be a “poor little Angel” when in fact he was a big part of the Crooked Hillary Scandal & the Russia Hoax - a puppet for Leakin’ James Comey. I.G. report on McCabe was devastating. Part of “insurance policy” in case I won....

....Many of the top FBI brass were fired, forced to leave, or left. McCabe’s wife received BIG DOLLARS from Clinton people for her campaign - he gave Hillary a pass. McCabe is a disgrace to the FBI and a disgrace to our Country. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
 
Any chance you understand the concept of paragraphs? Walls of text are not worth the time it takes to read them.
Trumpkin mode:
You just proved walls work! Their wall o text protected them from a rebuttal! BUILD THE WALL!
 
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TrumpTweets

The Mueller investigation is totally conflicted, illegal and rigged! Should never have been allowed to begin, except for the Collusion and many crimes committed by the Democrats. Witch Hunt!

Disgraced FBI Acting Director Andrew McCabe pretends to be a “poor little Angel” when in fact he was a big part of the Crooked Hillary Scandal & the Russia Hoax - a puppet for Leakin’ James Comey. I.G. report on McCabe was devastating. Part of “insurance policy” in case I won....

....Many of the top FBI brass were fired, forced to leave, or left. McCabe’s wife received BIG DOLLARS from Clinton people for her campaign - he gave Hillary a pass. McCabe is a disgrace to the FBI and a disgrace to our Country. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
Is this not a retweet of himself??
 
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