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The Trump Presidency 13: The (James) Baker's Dozen

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SuburbanTurkey said:
Can anyone explain to me with a straight face how a multi-year long construction project can possibly constitute an emergency?
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It's simple.

Trump "It's a crisis because I say so."
Democrats "No it isn't."
Trump "Are you gonna stop me?"
Democrats "Well... no but I'm sure Pelosi is going to sarcastically clap at you again or something."
Trump "Well there you go."
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Can anyone explain to me with a straight face how a multi-year long construction project can possibly constitute an emergency?
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The same way we never knew if we would be in Iraq the next year and so could not possibly include any of that in the budget.
 
The bad thing about the Emergency Declration is that it sets such a horrid precedent..one that strikes at the very heart of the Balance of Power between the branches of Govenrment, which is at the heart of American Democracy.
In the end, the real power of the congress is the power of the purse.....the President cannot spend a dime without the Congress ok ing it, and he has to spend it for the purposed that congress appropriated it.
There is a gray area for genuine national emergencies..but this ain;t one.It;s a pure power grab by Trump.
The GOP has screamed..often quite rightly in my opinion..about Obama streaching the power of the Predisency too far. I wonder what they will say about this, which is a lot more outragoue then anything Obama..or any President in the recent past..has done.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Can anyone explain to me with a straight face how a multi-year long construction project can possibly constitute an emergency?
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It isn't.


dudalb said:
The bad thing about the Emergency Declration is that it sets such a horrid precedent..one that strikes at the very heart of the Balance of Power between the branches of Govenrment, which is at the heart of American Democracy.
In the end, the real power of the congress is the power of the purse.....the President cannot spend a dime without the Congress ok ing it, and he has to spend it for the purposed that congress appropriated it.
There is a gray area for genuine national emergencies..but this ain;t one.It;s a pure power grab by Trump.
The GOP has screamed..often quite rightly in my opinion..about Obama streaching the power of the Predisency too far. I wonder what they will say about this, which is a lot more outragoue then anything Obama..or any President in the recent past..has done.
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I think your missing the point on this dudalb. The courts are not going to allow this. I even think Trump knows this. But by doing it this way, he gets to save face. He knows damn well he can't shut the government down again. But this way he won't hear the commentators over at Fox etc say how he's weak and how he let Pelosi beat him.

This is ALL about OPTICS. NOTHING MORE.
 
acbytesla said:
It isn't.




I think your missing the point on this dudalb. The courts are not going to allow this. I even think Trump knows this. But by doing it this way, he gets to save face. He knows damn well he can't shut the government down again. But this way he won't hear the commentators over at Fox etc say how he's weak and how he let Pelosi beat him.

This is ALL about OPTICS. NOTHING MORE.
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Yes, it's the best way for him to lose. He doesn't have to admit that even the Republicans in Congress don't want this dumb wall enough to pay for it, and they get to blame the their favorite boogieman, the courts.

Trump nominating conservative judges is probably the right's best success story for this administration, so having a nice court-room drama before the election bodes well.
 
acbytesla said:
It isn't.




I think your missing the point on this dudalb. The courts are not going to allow this. I even think Trump knows this. But by doing it this way, he gets to save face. He knows damn well he can't shut the government down again. But this way he won't hear the commentators over at Fox etc say how he's weak and how he let Pelosi beat him.

This is ALL about OPTICS. NOTHING MORE.
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Yes, I know this will be tied up in courts for ever, but still, that a POTUS would even try a power grab like this, that strieks at the heart of our constitutional system, is troubling.
 
dudalb said:
Yes, I know this will be tied up in courts for ever, but still, that a POTUS would even try a power grab like this, that strieks at the heart of our constitutional system, is troubling.
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It is kind of surprising it has taken this long for him to go there, after all inventing emergencies to grab power is what all his favorite leaders do.
 
dudalb said:
Yes, I know this will be tied up in courts for ever, but still, that a POTUS would even try a power grab like this, that strieks at the heart of our constitutional system, is troubling.
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It doesn't bother me because I know it's Dead On Arrival. And conservative judges in particular will say no to this. It isn't an emergency just because POTUS says it is.

It wouldn't shock me the Supreme Court was unanimous in saying no.

I'm usually wary in making such a declaration, but maybe it's because I'm rational.

You could say that was my first mistake.
 
carlitos said:
I would like to see evidence that non-employee contractor janitors, cafeteria workers and maintenance workers showed up en masse to work, unpaid, during the shutdown. Color me skeptical of that claim.
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So if they weren't directed to work without pay they don't deserve any relief for Trump's ******* act?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So if they weren't directed to work without pay they don't deserve any relief for Trump's ******* act?
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What I actually said is there in the quote box. Please don't make strawman arguments in reply to my posts; or at least don't quote me when you do, as others may be confused and think I actually said what you are intimating.
 
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Let the games begin....

So how many years will you guys be under a state of emergency? 6? 10? 15?

Hope the pentagon has their checkbook and fountain pen ready to go. Trump will be using every single kind of power he has as POTUS to dance around the courts on this one. And don't be surprised if he pulls some dirty tricks too, if need be.

Rest assured, he'll get his money. Come hell or high water, he'll get his way with this one... even if it costs him republican support.

He doesn't care because he sees this wall as his 'swan song'.
 
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AnonyMoose said:
So how many years will you guys be under a state of emergency? 6? 10? 15?
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Ah.... we're already under 31 going back as far as President Carter. We're still under George W. Bush's 9/11 National Emergency Deceleration.

The only difference is what Trumps wants to declare the emergency over. Hell he's already declared 3 and it barely made the news because they were routine.
 
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AnonyMoose said:
Let the games begin....

So how many years will you guys be under a state of emergency? 6? 10? 15?

Hope the pentagon has their checkbook and fountain pen ready to go. Trump will be using every single kind of power he has as POTUS to dance around the courts on this one. And don't be surprised if he pulls some dirty tricks too, if need be.

Rest assured, he'll get his money. Come hell or high water, he'll get his way with this one... even if it costs him republican support.

He doesn't care because he sees this wall as his 'swan song'.
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Wow! I STRONGLY disagree. I don't think Trump cares about this stupid wall. People will go through the motions and little else.
 
ponderingturtle said:
It is kind of surprising it has taken this long for him to go there, after all inventing emergencies to grab power is what all his favorite leaders do.
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I'll believe it when he declares it. And, so what? It will just be another way Trump wastes tax dollars with a meaningless declaration that is immediately challenged in court.

What is the point of a budget approved by Congress if Trump can ignore it and move the money around?

And finally, is anyone looking into which crony Trump wants to give this wall money to and if Trump's getting any laundered kickbacks? Because besides a stick up his ass about wanting Trump's Wall, one has to wonder what in addition to the propaganda is Trump up to?
 
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