horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

[baron]

The idea that there were MAGA white supremacists going round at 2 in the morning with nooses and "chemicals that might have been bleach" seems odd indeed, but your scenario that he was out, slipped on some ice and then decided, "I know, I'll just find some nearby rope and some bleach, walk to the hospital and claim it was MAGA guys" seems even more bizarre and unbelievable.

What noose? What bleach?

 

[angrysoba]

Well, that and the idea that two white racists would walk around wearing ski masks, carrying bleach and a noose, in the streets of a big city, without being seen by another living soul, just in case they bumped into a famous black man.

It's got everything but a burning cross.

The same guy they sent a letter to a couple of weeks back...in another city.

Yeah, this doesn't make complete sense, but some of the alternatives make less sense.

 

[angrysoba]

What noose? What bleach?

Maybe the ones you referenced earlier?

Well, that and the idea that two white racists would walk around wearing ski masks, carrying bleach and a noose, in the streets of a big city, without being seen by another living soul, just in case they bumped into a famous black man.

It's got everything but a burning cross.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Jesus Upholstery Christ, not only must everyone take sides immediately but they are all remote CSI investigators! If you're that bored, have at it, but don't delude yourselves that there's anything of proper skepticism in this wild speculation. When did withholding judgment until evidence turned up become so unfashionable here? Criminy, this place is no better than the comments on Gawker.

 

[TJM]

Sinister?
What? It's just kind of gross. A subway open at 2AM, you know how long that tuna fish has been sitting out?

There’s a 24 hour subway within staggering distance of a pub I used to close on a regular basis. I was worried more about their customers at that hour than I was their food.

The feeling was likely mutual.

 

[baron]

Maybe the ones you referenced earlier?

I was being facetious. My point is, where is the evidence of this noose, and this bleach, and further to that, where is the evidence they were used as reported.

 

[The Big Dog]

The idea that there were MAGA white supremacists going round at 2 in the morning with nooses and "chemicals that might have been bleach" seems odd indeed, but your scenario that he was out, slipped on some ice and then decided, "I know, I'll just find some nearby rope and some bleach, walk to the hospital and claim it was MAGA guys" seems even more bizarre and unbelievable.

He didn't go directly to the hospital, he went to a friends house.

where one might find things like "bleach" and a "rope"

He went to the hospital later after the CPD had left

 

[sadhatter]

Jesus Upholstery Christ, not only must everyone take sides immediately but they are all remote CSI investigators! If you're that bored, have at it, but don't delude yourselves that there's anything of proper skepticism in this wild speculation. When did withholding judgment until evidence turned up become so unfashionable here? Criminy, this place is no better than the comments on Gawker.

Its because of the polarization.

When everyone is on the attack or defense 24/7 every race related anything becomes a battleground. People are trying to get the high ground, as no matter how this turns out it is going to be blacks versus whites in the forum.

You know, solid progress toward equality.

 

[Dave Rogers]

My point is, where is the evidence of this noose, and this bleach, and further to that, where is the evidence they were used as reported.

In the testimony of the alleged victim, which is admissible as evidence in any sanely regulated courtroom. I think the word you were looking for is "proof".

Dave

 

[angrysoba]

I was being facetious. My point is, where is the evidence of this noose, and this bleach, and further to that, where is the evidence they were used as reported.

According to the TMZ report, the Chicago cops saw him wearing it.

Chicago PD confirms to TMZ Jussie told them, in a follow-up interview, about the attackers yelling, "MAGA country."

They add Jussie still had the rope around his neck when he made contact with cops at 2:42 AM. Remember, the attack happened around 2 AM.

 

[Puppycow]

So you withdraw this then, I take it:

I already explained this. It took police 10 minutes from the time of the 911 call. It was 45 minutes from the time of the alleged attack. After the alleged attack he went to his friend's apartment where his friend called 911. The police weren't called until 35 minutes after the attack.

 

[baron]

In the testimony of the alleged victim, which is admissible as evidence in any sanely regulated courtroom. I think the word you were looking for is "proof".

Thanks, but the word I was looking for was 'evidence', which is why I used it. Evidence as heard in a courtroom is a separate definition of the word and relates only to testimony given in a courtroom setting. It is a legal term. I was using the generic definition, meaning information which goes some way to proving (or disproving) something. There has been no legal hearing in this instance and therefore the only evidence I could be talking about is the latter definition.

If everybody would stop trying to score points by pretending I don't know the definition of common English words these threads would be a lot less cluttered, and posters wouldn't end up coming unstuck time and again.

 

[LTC8K6]

I read a report that said it was just a thin rope and did not resemble a noose.

 

[William Parcher]

I read a report saying that he didn't identify the race of the attackers. IOW, he didn't say that they were white even when asked.

 

[Senex]

Real question is, why would he go to Subway?

I imagine he was just looking for a footlong.

Another question is, why does he order mayonnaise and just leave it behind.

 

[baron]

According to the TMZ report, the Chicago cops saw him wearing it.

They add Jussie still had the rope around his neck when he made contact with cops at 2:42 AM. Remember, the attack happened around 2 AM.

That's even more damning. Someone put a 'noose' around his neck as part of an attack (how does that happen?) and not only did he wander around wearing it for 30 minutes, he continued to wear it for another ten after he'd called round at his mate's house? What the..?

 

[Belz...]

Jesus Upholstery Christ, not only must everyone take sides immediately but they are all remote CSI investigators! If you're that bored, have at it, but don't delude yourselves that there's anything of proper skepticism in this wild speculation. When did withholding judgment until evidence turned up become so unfashionable here? Criminy, this place is no better than the comments on Gawker.

TM, there's still open spots in my Hind-Wing political party I'm making. We're all about not taking sides since apparently, that's taking a side as well; might as well take that to heart. As discussed earlier our symbol is the microraptor, which actually had hind wings.



We're currently at one member it seems, but I hope to grow in the next quarter.

 

[Whip]

I imagine he was just looking for a footlong.

are you size shaming his partner?

and while having the noose still around his neck is fascinating, I see no mention of the bleached stained clothes that should be a result of having bleach poured on someone. much less, the distinct odor of bleach. Unless he was naked of course.

 

[Foolmewunz]

There are plenty of white on black crimes.
But a drunk guy falling off a Lime Scooter, and then making up an attack by white folks is just terrible.

I see. So it's suspicious that there's no video evidence of the attackers yet you assume he fell off a bike on those same well-scanned city streets and no one has a record of it. Or that he was in a bar fight... in a bar that has no CCTV and apparently no other patrons to have witnessed the event.

As hypotheticals go, this one really sucks.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I've never seen the show he's on, is it any good?