Mueller Investigation pt4

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Stacyhs said:
"Russia Hoax"? Is Trump still claiming Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election?
I find Trump's need to identify Peter S as Pages's "lover" just his typical need to be nasty. It's similar to always referring to Stormy Daniels as "porn star Daniels".
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100%-innocent-of-any-wrong-doing Donald Trump is continually trying to characterize anyone involved with investigations pertaining to his or his family’s political or business dealings or activities as being corrupt.

As any 100%-innocent-of-any-wrong-doing person would, of course.
 
a_unique_person said:
There are a lot of people who a convicted of that law. All of a sudden people are concerned.


The point is that this was a plea deal. When you make a plea deal you get to plead guilty to a lesser crime than the one you were facing. They had something much bigger over him than lying to the FBI.
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If this was Texas in the 90s and they had him plead to a lesser crime such as the anti sodomy law, some people would be upset that they used such an unjust law.

Pleading down to an unjust law is still an unjust law.
 
a_unique_person said:
There are a lot of people who a convicted of that law. All of a sudden people are concerned.


The point is that this was a plea deal. When you make a plea deal you get to plead guilty to a lesser crime than the one you were facing. They had something much bigger over him than lying to the FBI.
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EXACTLY! He pleads guilty to a FELONY no less, yet isn't sentenced to any prison time. It's gotta make you wonder what else they had on him? I know this might be strange, but my guess is that he didn't want to be NSA and at the same time being compromised by the Russians which given his career he must have known that he had been. It was better to stop that in its tracks.

Or maybe he just realized he had made a deal with the devil and he wanted his soul back any way he could.
 
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P.J. Denyer said:
I suspect it's because Trump sees Flynn as being a tough guy and Cohen as weaker than himself. Trump is a second class bully who uses money to give him the power to bully, his toughness comes from his ability to hire people to hide behind. Use the behaviour of the most insecure bully as a guide and Trump's not so hard to figure out.
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And Trump STILL hasn't figured out that Flynn has sold him down the river.
 
The Big Dog said:
How has Flynn sold him down the river?
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He's willingly been interviewed by Mueller & related agencies 19 times, and has provided "substantial assistance" to Mueller. He cooperated immediately. He helped Mueller map out the Russia investigation. He may even have encouraged others to cooperate.

This is why Mueller is recommending no prison time, rather than the 5 years Flynn could get, despite Flynn pleading guilty to a felony.

Unless, of course, you think Mueller is pushing for leniency for Flynn for providing exculpatory evidence re Trump.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
He's willingly been interviewed by Mueller & related agencies 19 times, and has provided "substantial assistance" to Mueller. He cooperated immediately. He helped Mueller map out the Russia investigation. He may even have encouraged others to cooperate.

This is why Mueller is recommending no prison time, rather than the 5 years Flynn could get, despite Flynn pleading guilty to a felony.

Unless, of course, you think Mueller is pushing for leniency for Flynn for providing exculpatory evidence re Trump.
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This presumes Trump did something illegal. It is possible Flynn helped on people not named Donald Trump.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
He's willingly been interviewed by Mueller & related agencies 19 times, and has provided "substantial assistance" to Mueller. He cooperated immediately. He helped Mueller map out the Russia investigation. He may even have encouraged others to cooperate.

This is why Mueller is recommending no prison time, rather than the 5 years Flynn could get, despite Flynn pleading guilty to a felony.

Unless, of course, you think Mueller is pushing for leniency for Flynn for providing exculpatory evidence re Trump.
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Regarding your last sentence, I believe that if Flynn provided exculpatory evidence that corroborated other evidence and helped the investigation, that Mueller would argue for leniency.

I don’t for a second think that this is what happened, but nobody is just out to “get Trump.”
 
Someone recently said, and it was a conservative, Trump could have nipped this whole Stormy Daniels-Karen McDougal thing in the bud by simply saying, "This was a private matter and I'm not going to discuss it." Like his supporters would have cared whether or not he humped a porn star or a young Playboy centerfold model. I can imagine how it would be handled on a show like Howard Stern's:

Interviewer: So Don, you did the nasty with Stormy Daniels?
Trump: Hey, you know.
Interviewer: How was she?
Trump: I've had better.
Interviewer: You've had...? Donnie you dog! haha

The audience: DONNIE! DONNIE! WOOF WOOF DONNIE!
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This whole affair is beginning to seem like a bad Seinfeld episode. A really bad Seinfeld episode.

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The guideline range for Flynn was ZERO to Six months, any one who thinks that Mueller is giving a highly decorated veteran a break for cooperation by recommending no jail time for a process violation is totally deluding themselves.
 
The Big Dog said:
The guideline range for Flynn was ZERO to Six months, any one who thinks that Mueller is giving a highly decorated veteran a break for cooperation by recommending no jail time for a process violation is totally deluding themselves.
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Woo, you used process violation correctly this time.
 
The Big Dog said:
The guideline range for Flynn was ZERO to Six months, any one who thinks that Mueller is giving a highly decorated veteran a break for cooperation by recommending no jail time for a process violation is totally deluding themselves.
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You are deluding yourself if you think he was only guilty of lying to the FBI.
 
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The Big Dog said:
The guideline range for Flynn was ZERO to Six months, any one who thinks that Mueller is giving a highly decorated veteran a break for cooperation by recommending no jail time for a process violation is totally deluding themselves.
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I'm deluded, I'm deluded.

Lying to FBI Agents is NOT, ABSOLUTELY NOT a process violation. It is a CRIME. And Flynn a highly decorated veteran is now forever a CONVICTED FELON.

But remember, this is what he was allowed to plead to. He almost certainly was guilty of far worse offenses. But the SCO allowed him to plead to this lesser crime because of his cooperation. Wonder what that means? Hmmmm.
 
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acbytesla said:
I'm deluded, I'm deluded.

Lying to FBI Agents is NOT, ABSOLUTELY NOT a process violation. It is a CRIME. And Flynn a highly decorated veteran is now forever a CONVICTED FELON.

But remember, this is what he was allowed to plead to. He almost certainly was guilty of far worse offenses. But the SCO, they allowed him to plead to this lesser crime because of his cooperation. Wonder what that means? Hmmmm.
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Process crime

Informally, in criminal procedure, process crime is an offense charged by a prosecutor alleging criminal conduct related to an investigation of a crime, but not to the crime itself. Examples include obstruction of justice, perjury before a grand jury and misprision of a felony.
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
He's willingly been interviewed by Mueller & related agencies 19 times, and has provided "substantial assistance" to Mueller. He cooperated immediately. He helped Mueller map out the Russia investigation. He may even have encouraged others to cooperate.

This is why Mueller is recommending no prison time, rather than the 5 years Flynn could get, despite Flynn pleading guilty to a felony.

Unless, of course, you think Mueller is pushing for leniency for Flynn for providing exculpatory evidence re Trump.
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I think TBD imagines that they have charged Flynn with lying to the FBI because they were out to get him and its the only thing they could get him on... this is wrong. What TDB seems to be failing to understand that they have only charged him with lying because they struck a deal with him to do that in exchange for his cooperation. If Cohen is a dirty flipping sewer-rat, the n Flynn is also, even more so.

Earlier in the piece, everyone thought Manafort was going to be the key to unlocking the cover over Trump's criminal acts. I disagreed and thought it would be Cohen (because of his extensive collection of recordings).

Turns out that I might have been only partly right. It looks like both Cohen and Flynn have the keys; Cohen because of the recordings, Flynn because he was so close to what was going on.
 
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