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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Well, if appeals to authority are fine, then this former federal prosecutor says that in order to avoid one all you need to do is to tell the truth

Here's another explaining why it doesn't apply to Mueller at all
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Thanks for those links.

The second features Randall Eliason, a frequent guest on the Opening Arguments podcast. In fact, here’s one with him discussing “perjury traps”:

https://openargs.com/oa204-the-perjury-trap-w-guest-randall-eliason/

Not surprisingly, his attitude is pretty much the same as mine, to wit:

1) It’s trivially easy to avoid a perjury trap - tell the truth consistently.

2) It’s at best a “perjury opportunity”. Given the opportunity, the options are:

A) Tell the truth
B) Lie and commit perjury, or,
C) Plead the Fifth

Seems patently clear to me.
 
varwoche said:
Dear Leader is to be defended at all costs, facts be damned. His words are to be parroted, no matter how asinine. Such is the way of a cultist.

Perjury trap!
17 angry democrats!
Leftists!
Witch hunt!
Lock her up!

If Dear Leader says X, the cultists say X. If Dear Leader says Y, the cultists say Y. No matter that X and Y contradict the stated principles of the cultist. What if X or Y violates long-held Christian beliefs? **** that bull ****. Dear Leader is priority #1 and #2. Anti-abortion zeal has fallen down the priority list. Strong man is Daddy.
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I do wonder what would happen to his evangelical base if the evidence of him encouraging his lovers to have abortions comes out.

It's highly unlikely that he hasn't done that
 
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1068587982834163712

Richard Burr confirms that the Senate Intel Committee "has made referrals to the special prosecutor" for criminal prosecution.

"In a lot of cases, those might be tied to lying to us."
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1068599824730214400

The referrals were bipartisan, I'm told--Warner signed off on them, too. Unclear when they were made or for whom.
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As someone points out in the replies - I wonder if this is going to extend to Kavanaugh?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Well, if appeals to authority are fine, then this former federal prosecutor says that in order to avoid one all you need to do is to tell the truth

Here's another explaining why it doesn't apply to Mueller at all
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One of the things that makes me roll my eyes about this is that certain people seem to believe that merely misstating anything will get you charged with lying to the FBI. Like if they ask you want the weather was like and you get it wrong, omg, that's a charge.

It's a complete fiction.

The law states that you are not allowed to "knowingly and willfully" make false statements about things that are "material" to the case.

Questions about what you had for breakfast, or the weather are highly unlikely to to be material to the case, and merely making a mistake in what you say, is not "knowingly and willingly".

The only way to get "trapped" is to know the truth and to deliberately either try and cover it up, or to deliberately give a false statement.
 
jimbob said:
I do wonder what would happen to his evangelical base if the evidence of him encouraging his lovers to have abortions comes out.

It's highly unlikely that he hasn't done that
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I predict that they would just ignore the fact. Or say "everyone is a sinner" or considering the level of hypocrisy they already exhibit blame the dirty heathen sluts...
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Swalwell says he has circumstantial evidence of more lies to Congress by Cohen
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This should be damming for impartial observers

Swalwell said he was previously aware Cohen lied to his committee but was limited because he could not make public transcripts of Cohen’s testimony or pass them along to Mueller.

“The Republicans have failed to allow us to send those to Bob Mueller,” he said. “Our transcripts have not been released.”
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dudalb said:
In one of Dashell Hammett's great "Continnental Op" stories (about a private detective agency) the Operator,on seeing an obviousl false statement says:

"I spotted 12 lies right off the top, with the promise of many more to come".
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In "The Golden Horseshoe", Hammett's Continental Op eventually identifies a killer but has no solid evidence against him. To encourage the killer to act in a self-incriminating way, the detective pays four unsuspecting locals to give him a nod when they see a person of a certain description, with a notably long and thin neck, in a bar. "Be careful when you give me the nod. I don't want anybody in there to find out that you know me."

From "The Golden Horseshoe", by Dashiell Hammett:

Dashiell Hammett said:
The Filipino turned around, looked at me, ducking his head sharply, and bolted for the street. The three who were left shot their drinks down their gullets and tried to catch my eye.
I was reading a sign high on the wall behind the bar:
ONLY GENUINE PRE-WAR AMERICAN AND BRITISH WHISKEYS SERVED HERE​
I was trying to count how many lies could be found in those nine words, and had reached four, with promise of more, when
one of my confederates, the Greek, cleared his throat with the noise of a gasoline engine's backfire. Gooseneck was edging down the bar, a bung-starter in one hand, his face purple.

I looked at my assistants. Their nods wouldn't have been so terrible had they come one at a time; but they were taking no chances on my looking away again before they could get their reports in. The three heads bobbed together—a signal that nobody within twenty feet could, or did, miss—and they scooted out of the door, away from the long-necked man and his bung-starter.

I emptied my glass of beer, sauntered out of the saloon and around the corner....
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Anyone who doesn't understand how that excerpt is relevant to the Mueller investigation should read all of the spoilers, including this one:
Giving a stupid person enough rope to hang himself is not a perjury trap. Mueller may not have the Continental Op's sense of humor, but he does have the Op's competence.
 
Based on the Muller Filings and news reports, Rachel Maddow lays out what could very likely be the entire Trump/Russia Conspiracy Plot...

 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Well, if appeals to authority are fine, then this former federal prosecutor says that in order to avoid one all you need to do is to tell the truth

Here's another explaining why it doesn't apply to Mueller at all
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God almighty, the analogies in those examples are beyond insipid particularly the coffee cup one and do not address the concrete examples, particularly the Bonds example, brought up by Popehat.

Great googling tho, :rolleyes:



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