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Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3
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And who then was the intended audience? In should be obvious that Thermacore was pursuing this technology in house (with external government funding for the second, larger experiment) for their own potential profit.
I don't see incompetence. I see a company report limited by time and resources, as in ... real life.
Extrapolating from Thermacore's calculation I've shown that the heat released from the energy required to maintain hydrogen pressure in the tubing is not a significant factor in the energy balance. So their blunder, if it occurred, did not have a significant practical consequence.
Now, it would have been nice to see thermal power output over the twenty one (?) days to see how it may have decreased over that time, but I can't have everything.
PS note that the calculation is a theoretical, ideal one regarding pressure and heat. It has naught to do with the efficiencies of the gas compressor, which may be what you are thinking.
So close to the Pons and Fleischmann announcement of 1989, BLP has had to swim upstream against the stigma associated with cold fusion. That a lab had to resort to 'clandestine' testing of BLP cells should be an eye opener to the psychological pressures at work in our scientific culture.
If BLP ends up marketing certain hydrino compounds for one purpose or another, of course they will have to undergo environmental testing, like anything novel in the materials marketplace.
For power generation the waste product is inert dihydrino gas which leaks out through the walls of the SunCell and via buoyancy escapes into outer space.
In high school many of us did electrolysis experiments where hydrogen gas bubbled out. Should be have been concerned, apart from a pop here and a little explosion there
?Sustained in this context is on the order of a few seconds with dripping molten silver. It was sustained relative to the one time microseconds burst of a hydrated silver pellet. See
https://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/Hydrino-Blast-Power-Paper-050818.pdf
for details.
Thanks.
In getting approval for commercial sale, do you honestly think the various government agencies charged with protecting health and the environment (in NJ, the US, the EU, ...) will accept this sort of thing?
If hydrinos exist, their chemistry is unknown to everyone except Mills, and some of his employees (and you?). If they exist, no prudent person would rely solely on Mills’ Big Book of BooBoos for assurance that their release from commercial generators is entirely benign.
You really do yourself no favors by using this sort of flawed reasoning; why not be honest enough to say you seriously doubt Mills, if only because of his obvious disregard of the possible health and environmental impacts.
So you say. With no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim ... other than total reliance on what Mills himself has said, right?
Again, so you say.
In getting approval for commercial sale, do you honestly think the various government agencies charged with protecting health and the environment (in NJ, the US, the EU, ...) will accept this sort of thing?
Nice try, but sorry, no cigar.In high school many of us did electrolysis experiments where hydrogen gas bubbled out. Should be have been concerned, apart from a pop here and a little explosion there
If hydrinos exist, their chemistry is unknown to everyone except Mills, and some of his employees (and you?). If they exist, no prudent person would rely solely on Mills’ Big Book of BooBoos for assurance that their release from commercial generators is entirely benign.
You really do yourself no favors by using this sort of flawed reasoning; why not be honest enough to say you seriously doubt Mills, if only because of his obvious disregard of the possible health and environmental impacts.
The Man
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Nope, again, since no measurement was made of "the energy required to maintain hydrogen pressure" you have no basis to claim that it "is not a significant factor in the energy balance".
Again their blunder in that case is simply that they didn't monitor a source of input energy.
"everything"? Collecting data is the whole point of an experiment, without it, they, and subsequently you, have nothing.
Fortunately the other test does show such data. Not only do we see tubing pressure as a flatline constant for the five hours but we also see the temperature profile spike to almost vertical where the reduction of the pressure differential inside to outside the tube should be reducing if not eliminating hydrogen migration.
They give the starting pressure of the nitrogen cover gas at 17 bar (~257 psi) but don't state what the pressure release valve was set to or what pressure the vessel was at when pressure was released before acuationg that valve.
Of course they don't show that data on the other tests, since in that test where they did show it, it clearly doesn't support their asserted reaction dynamics.
Nope, no one mentioned "the efficiencies of the gas compressor" or even asserted that there need be a "gas compressor" to maintain pressure. That fantasy thinking is simply and entirely yours.
Agin, do please, try harder.
A novel power source comes to market. Of *course* it will come under scrutiny for environmental effects by the pertinent protection agencies. It's just that they will ultimately find nothing dangerous about dihydrino gas.
Mills has documented hydrino chemistry thoroughly in his book and his published papers. This is not mutually exclusive to the government doing its job and evaluating any potential environmental and health impacts of hydrino.
The Man
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The incompetent nature of the testing and data presented "should be an eye opener to the" real reason they'd want to keep it "'clandestine'". That their own data doesn't support their own claims about the asserted reaction or the relations they use in their own calculations.
I did my calculation on the heat generated by maintaining hydrogen pressure in the tubing. Since you protest, provide your own calculation to prove your point, rather than handwaving.
Weren't you the one who complained "they didn't monitor a source of input energy", which by implication is the energy used keep the hydrogen at pressure in the tubing, that is, the energy used by the gas compressor?
Um, you realize that is a high-grade "gotcha", don't you?
You are on record as saying ~February 2019 is when Mills will put commercial generators on the market (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Yet no "scrutiny for environmental effects by the pertinent protection agencies" has been done; certainly Mills has not even hinted that such scrutiny is even planned.
Whence the confidence that all such scrutiny can be accomplished in just a few months?
Curious.
In an earlier post, you provided a link to something on hydrino compounds. As I read that document, and from my (very limited) understanding of what a Mills hydrino-based generator will be, I see grounds for thinking your earlier claim ("For power generation the waste product is inert dihydrino gas") is, well, bollocks.
Inside the reactor chamber (or whatever produces hydrinos) there will be some combo of the following elements, many in compound form (not an exhaustive list): H, C, O, Fe, Ni, Co, Ag, W, Pt, ... and Na, Ca, and K. The last three will be introduced as dissolved salts in the supply of fuel (water); commercial units will not be run exclusively on highly distilled water! Many of these same elements are in the equipment Mills describes as what he used to produce the hydrino compounds!
So it is entirely reasonable to expect that inside the reactor chamber of a commercial power source hydrino compounds will be produced. And without extensive testing, no one - not even Mills - can predict what, and in what quantities.
To borrow from The Man, do please, try harder.
RecoveringYuppy
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And how in the world could you possibly know that? And what about all those other hydrino compounds you go on about?
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An Al Miller was "developing methods to identify hydrino" delusion
As far as we know, Al Miller was merely doing standard lab analysis of samples that his lab was given. There is no sign of Al Miller publishing anything on Mills' hydrino delusions.
26 November 2018 markie: An Al Miller was "developing methods to identify hydrino" delusion.
As far as we know, Al Miller was merely doing standard lab analysis of samples that his lab was given. There is no sign of Al Miller publishing anything on Mills' hydrino delusions.
That's not how it works nowadays. Not like 100+ years ago. Then, it was: "Hey, we've just isolated a previously unknown material, and it glows, which is really cool, so we're going to immediately put it into widespread use. We don't think it has any harmful health effects, on the contrary we think based on wild guessing that the radiation "revitalizes cells," so we're also using it as an ingredient in health tonics."
Now, the scrutiny happens before the novel substance comes to market.
Not always, of course. The relevant government agencies aren't always as proactive about such things as they should be. It might take a suit by private interests to enjoin sales and use of the new technology pending proof of environmental and health safety. It's a good thing there aren't powerful established companies making big money from power generation, who might be motivated to drum up some astroturf lawsuits to hold off competition from hydrino power for a few years. Oh, wait...
The government's job isn't to test anything. It's to force BLP (or whomever) to test things to the government's satisfaction as a condition of being permitted to market them.
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Penultimate Amazing
We know that these are "internal company reports" that contain a blatant lie and incompetence that anyone can understand, markie. But try actually reading the reports. They are obviously intended for a general audience. They are not marked as internal or private. The 1994 report was prepared for the Air Force!
22 November 2018 markie: Emphasizes Thermacore at least incompetence by not making the ESCA report available.
22 November 2018 markie: Cannot understand the LeHigh graph that Thermacore lied about.
The 1993 Anomalous Heat From Atomic Hydrogen in Contact with Potassium Carbonate PDF lied about a 55 eV peak because the peak is at about 57 eV!
The 1994 Nascent Hydrogen: An Energy Source PDF repeated that 55 eV peak lie.
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The Man
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Again as variations in "hydrogen pressure in the tubing" isn't recorded or monitored your "calculation" simply assumes "the heat generated by maintaining hydrogen pressure in the tubing".
Once again my point is that their blunder in that case is simply that they didn't monitor a source of input energy. Your continued and simple ignorance of that point ain't me "handwaving".
Ah, so you are aware of the actual point and your ignorance of such above is demonstrably and simply deliberate.
To maintain gas pressure you only need a source vessel of higher pressure and a pressure reduction/control valve.
Certainly some compresor somewhere has to at least pressurize a storage tank that in turn pressurizes a transport tank which in turn pressurizes the onsite storage tank. However, as noted, an onsite gas compressor is not required and for various reasons may even be undesirable.
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Wow. You've abandoned any honesty entirely? I'd think the text, "Prepared for: / Aero Propulsion and Power Directorate / Wright Laboratory / Air Force Material Command (CSC) / Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio 45433-7659", might just give you a clue about the intended audience.
Thermacore's incompetence has been well-documented; even you, markie, have accused it of incompetence. The case for fraud is growing, too.
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Wow. Markie is STILL trying to defend Thermacore’s excreted BS?
That’s both depressing and predictable.
That’s both depressing and predictable.
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