Democrats = Antifa = BS

[Thermal]

Thanks, Thermal. I rather thought as much. But has that stopped certain Trump supporting members from still claiming it?

Nah, its too convenient to identify antifa as the opposite number of neo nazis, and they make great boogey men, too. Black masks and everything. That makes them bad guys, and the Republicans therefore the good guys! Its too neat a package to resist the labeling

 

[Stacyhs]

Nah, its too convenient to identify antifa as the opposite number of neo nazis, and they make great boogey men, too. Black masks and everything. That makes them bad guys, and the Republicans therefore the good guys! Its too neat a package to resist the labeling

Not surprising since facts and Trump support are like oil and water; they just don't mix well.

 

[Cabbage]

It seems like we're pretty much all agreed that antifa are bad people, that their antics are inexcusable, that nobody should support them, and that any support for them should be denounced.

Is that correct? Do we all agree on these points?

It seems like we're pretty much all agreed that Trump is a bad president, that his antics are inexcusable, that the only reason anyone supports him is to troll liberals (after all, when some smug liberals starts acting up, there's always a "conservative" to remind us "This is why we elected Trump"....as if it's actually punishment)........and then you, yourself, theprestige, acknowledged your vote for Trump was an outraged "flip the table over" statement......and as such any support for Trump should be denounced.

Is that correct? Do we all agree on these points?

 

[phiwum]

No, apparently they are good people, their actions are justified, everybody should support them and failing to provide support for them should be denounced.

You know that nobody has said anything like the above, right?

The negation of "(All) People in group X are bad" is "Some people in group X are not bad," not "All people in group X are good." Similar comments appear to your other inane statements.

Simple first-order logic. Hell, it's Categorical Logic, understood more or less for 2000 years.

 

[Foolmewunz]

No, apparently they are good people, their actions are justified, everybody should support them and failing to provide support for them should be denounced.

And since the OP alleges that nobody high up in the Democratic Party supports them, the Democrats should be denounced.

Ya know, down in Boujoli Parrish we could get you guys some chain gang labor to tote that barge and lift that bail and you wouldn't get all tuckered out schlepping all that straw around.

 

[Lambchops]

Which is of those points do you disagree with, and why?

All of them. Because they are hilariously dumb.

 

[Brainster]

You know that nobody has said anything like the above, right?

The negation of "(All) People in group X are bad" is "Some people in group X are not bad," not "All people in group X are good." Similar comments appear to your other inane statements.

Simple first-order logic. Hell, it's Categorical Logic, understood more or less for 2000 years.

So some antifa are bad, some are good, their actions are sometimes justified, sometimes not, some should support them, some should not, and providing support for them is half-good, half-bad.

So therefore the Democrats should be condemned for failing to support the half-good part.

 

[Cabbage]

So some antifa are bad, some are good, their actions are sometimes justified, sometimes not, some should support them, some should not, and providing support for them is half-good, half-bad.

So therefore the Democrats should be condemned for failing to support the half-good part.

No, you're still struggling with how negations work.

 

[Brainster]

No, you're still struggling with how negations work.

Okay, so all Democrats should be congratulated for not supporting Antifa?

 

[Cabbage]

Okay, so all Democrats should be congratulated for not supporting Antifa?

That's wrong, too.

You should probably just give up trying to logic.

 

[dann]

Seven minutes to teach Brainster, theprestige and other right-wingers to distinguish between the good and the bad antifas:


There’s another one here:


I’m looking forward to the link to a similar video about the good and the bad Nazis, the good and the bad white supremacists or the good and the bad alt-righters, you know, the distinction that Trump and Fox want us to make.

 

[varwoche]

And since the OP alleges that nobody high up in the Democratic Party supports them, the Democrats should be denounced.

If you consider the OP a reliable source, and the facts stated in the OP represent your operating assumptions, then thank you!

On the other hand if your opaque routine is sarcastic, by all means, be the first, cite some Democrats, per the defined criteria, who support Antifa.

 

[phiwum]

So some antifa are bad, some are good, their actions are sometimes justified, sometimes not, some should support them, some should not, and providing support for them is half-good, half-bad.

You still are fairly clueless about logic, I see.

Negating "All antifa members are bad" yields "At least one antifa member is not bad." It doesn't yield either "Some antifa members are bad" or "Some antifa members are good" (the latter, not a logical truth, depends on the fact that "not bad" is not the same as "good").

So therefore the Democrats should be condemned for failing to support the half-good part.

Nonsense. I think "A Thousand Clowns" is an incredible movie. I don't condemn others for disagreeing.

I think that antifa oversteps the bounds of civility, legality and morality far too often. We don't need a vigilante leftist/anarchist group. They mostly exacerbate the problem, in my opinion.

Others disagree. I admit I don't know a lot about the group and my prediction that they exacerbate the problem is an opinion hard to fully justify. So, no, I won't condemn others for disagreeing. What sort of stupid arrogance leads one to condemn others for disagreement?

 

[Foolmewunz]

Okay, so all Democrats should be congratulated for not supporting Antifa?

Yes, that's right. And they should be chastised for not supporting Antifa, too. Take your pick and get to the "gotcha" part because no one's falling for the straw man.

Frankly, having had your end-around fake spotted and gotten yourself tackled in the backfield, wouldn't you just take the 11 yard loss and go on to your third down play? You seem determined to do a Tarkenton and run around with the ball until something comes out of the play.

I knew Fran Tarkenton, Brainster. (Fill in the next line for yourself.)

 

[varwoche]

Nonsense. I think "A Thousand Clowns" is an incredible movie. I don't condemn others for disagreeing.

I used to order my kids "Go to your alcove!"

 

[phiwum]

I used to order my kids "Go to your alcove!"

You're a good man.

 

[jimbob]

So some antifa are bad, some are good, their actions are sometimes justified, sometimes not, some should support them, some should not, and providing support for them is half-good, half-bad.

You still are fairly clueless about logic, I see.

Negating "All antifa members are bad" yields "At least one antifa member is not bad." It doesn't yield either "Some antifa members are bad" or "Some antifa members are good" (the latter, not a logical truth, depends on the fact that "not bad" is not the same as "good").

Indeed, and it's saddening that people who claim to be critical thinkers can't see when they are using such obvious tactics

So therefore the Democrats should be condemned for failing to support the half-good part.

Nonsense. I think "A Thousand Clowns" is an incredible movie. I don't condemn others for disagreeing.

I think that antifa oversteps the bounds of civility, legality and morality far too often. We don't need a vigilante leftist/anarchist group. They mostly exacerbate the problem, in my opinion.

Others disagree. I admit I don't know a lot about the group and my prediction that they exacerbate the problem is an opinion hard to fully justify. So, no, I won't condemn others for disagreeing. What sort of stupid arrogance leads one to condemn others for disagreement?

Indeed. Also the stated aim of the group is laudable in my view. There is nothing good about a pro-fascist, but there can be for an anti-fascist. ETA: although obviously some might not be - for example an anti-fascist who is also a Maoist.

I used to be more against the idea of anti-fascist vigilantism, then I heard about situations like the 1958 Notting Hill Race Riots

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ot-the-week-notting-hill-exploded-912105.html

After three days of constant rioting, though, the tide finally turned. A group of mostly Jamaicans retaliated by throwing home-made Molotov cocktails on to the baying mob outside their base, the Totobags Café at 9 Blenheim Crescent. As the white crowd backed away, a few of the West Indians gave chase waving machetes and meat cleavers.

Before the West Indian fightback, the police, despite mounting one of the biggest operations of the decade, had struggled to contain the crowds. But now the white gangs had effectively been broken, and within 48 hours an uneasy calm at last settled on Notting Hill. In total, 108 people were arrested, and despite numerous injuries, almost miraculously, nobody was killed.

The Battle of Cable Street could be another example.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Facists aren't a Protected Class. Most common targets of Facists are.
Being willing and ready to protect those who by law deserve special protection against those who don't is, in my opinion, praiseworthy.

 

[dann]

I used to be more against the idea of anti-fascist vigilantism, then I heard about situations like the 1958 Notting Hill Race Riots

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ot-the-week-notting-hill-exploded-912105.html​

The Battle of Cable Street could be another example.

Good examples! (A great novel about London in the late 1950s: Absolute Beginners.)

 

[LSSBB]

Seven minutes to teach Brainster, theprestige and other right-wingers to distinguish between the good and the bad antifas:


There’s another one here:


I’m looking forward to the link to a similar video about the good and the bad Nazis, the good and the bad white supremacists or the good and the bad alt-righters, you know, the distinction that Trump and Fox want us to make.

Thanks for the Vox link, the outlier bias angle was well done and appropriate.