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When will the AE911 petition finally reach juggernaut strength of 1%?

When will the AE911 petition reach juggernaut strength of 1%?

  • 20 years

    Votes: 3 1.4%

  • 50 years

    Votes: 2 0.9%

  • Never

    Votes: 80 36.4%

  • Who cares?….it's retarded anyway.....

    Votes: 135 61.4%
  • Total voters
    220
Today, the petition count for "Other Signatories" (the non-A&E) reached 22,000 on their homepage[1].
They had passed 21,000 at the end of April 2016, 19 months ago.
20,000 was reached in early December 2014 (16 months)
Before that time, it took then never more than 8 months, sometimes only 3, to add 1,000 more.

Clearly, they are close to their full potential. During the last 3 years, the annual growth rate was between 3.1% and 3.4%.
They have given up on that petition.

[1] Although the beta-page with the upcoming design show2 22,043 - I don't know why there is a difference
 
These are really nice websites. I just joined Firefighters for 9/11 Truth as a military veteran. Let's see what they do with me.
 
Scott Sommers said:
These are really nice websites. I just joined Firefighters for 9/11 Truth as a military veteran. Let's see what they do with me.
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That site exists?? When was the last update?

Something like two or three years ago, Eric Lawyer, who is pretty much the only FF in the Twoofment, made a new start with "FF for Truth and Unity", which featured a sort of petition, you could online sign a statement of support. I don't think he ever even made 100 before the domain was cancelled.
 
Oystein said:
That site exists?? When was the last update?

Something like two or three years ago, Eric Lawyer, who is pretty much the only FF in the Twoofment, made a new start with "FF for Truth and Unity", which featured a sort of petition, you could online sign a statement of support. I don't think he ever even made 100 before the domain was cancelled.
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I can't really answer you. All I can say is the that other day, I signed up and said I was a veteran. The next day, they sent me this e-mail,

Thank you for adding your name in support of Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity.

Again, at this time, your name and details will remain private. Should that change, we will send you an email prior to listing your name (and won't post yours publicly if you have marked the private box).

Thank you again.

In Service & Gratitude,
Erik
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And a screen shot of my request.

I think of 9/11T as the king of all conspiracy theories. You have to be smart and informed to argue for it. Other weird ideas like Obama Birther and Big Foot lend themselves to retards. The cream of the intelligentsia of conspiracy theory, 9/11T won't disappear so easily. They haven't forgotten that they were Truthers when it mattered. Even now, as the world is forgetting them, that doesn't mean they can't fight onward, as did those who fought slavery. Evil is evil wherever you see it. And it doesn't matter that the big talk words of those big educationed people sound all nice and clear. Evil is evil and they are only ones who will fight it to the end.

Anyway, this is boring. I think I'm going to wash my toilet and brush my teeth. Yes, the FF for 9/11T exist and they still function. Rock on my friends....
 
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bknight said:
I just checked the site 9 Jan 18 and they have 2964.
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Was down to 2963 for a couple of days, not up to 2964 again. Unchanged to end of year 2017. They are not terribly busy updating these days.

Short rundown of how the petition developed in 2017:

At end of…|# A&E|Diff|# other Sig|Diff
Dec 2016|2758||21345|
Jan 2017|2783|+25|21355|+10
Feb|2805|+22|21403|+48
Mar|2836|+31|21458|+55
Apr|2863|+27|21598|+140
May|2874|+11|21697|+99
Jun|2883|+9|21772|+75
Jul|2898|+15|21901|+129
Aug|2907|+9|21950|+49
Sep|2920|+13|21989|+39
Oct|2943|+23|21989|+0
Nov|2952|+9|22002|+13
Dec 2017|2964|+12|22020|+18

All in all, the number of Architects & Engineers grew at a rate of 7.5% annually, and the Other signers by 3.2%. Those are the third- and second-worst growth rates ever for them, respectively.

I'll to a larger update with graphics some other day, once I figure out where to host graphics, since Photobucket screwed its users sometime last year.


Since the petition went one at some point within May 2007, I also analyse their development in terms of "business years" from June 01 to May 31. In that department, the current business year 2017/18 is on course to being their worst ever in both the A&E and the General Public sections.
 
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Today, Gage's silly A&E Petition reached and exceed 3,000 signatories*.

Remember that, in January 2016 (more than 28 months ago) they had planned on reaching that goal within 8 months, by September 2016. I wrote in April 2016:
Oystein said:
Go to the ae911truth.org homepage, hover over "What You Can Do" and click on "Membership". This redirects you to the URL ae911truth2016membership.org - titled:

"2016 MEMBERSHIP"
And if you click on the internal link "2016 PRIORITES", it takes you to, well:

2016 PRIORITES

What are these?

I'll quote them and assign them numbers, then discuss, as time allows:

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6.) "3,000 Milestone: With 2,426 architect and engineer petition signers at present, AE911Truth will strive to reach the 3,000 mark by this year’s 9/11 Anniversary."
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6.) This was written some time near mid January, when they had 2,426 A&E signatures verified. Since that time, they averaged 0.8 new signatures per day, to get to the current number of 2,514. It's 134 day to go till the 9/11 anniversary, so they are on a pace to reach 2,625 signatures. I have no idea how on earth they expect to make it to 3,000. I have inside information that they currently have a backlog of a bit over 200 unverified signatures, of which typically 2/3 would eventually get verified - I can attest that these numbers are plausible. That would give them 140 or so signatures from backlog. Let's be generous and say they get 100 more verified from the coming AIA convention, plus the usual daily trickle of perhaps a signature every other day, and the absolute best they can hope for until the anniversary is to exceed 2,800. If they ever make it to 3,000, the numbers are pimped and doctored.
My prediction is 2,650.

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My prediction was pretty much spot-on - on September 17, 2016, they had 2,640 A&E signatures (I had predicted 10 more).
Their prediction of course was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.

It took them more than three times as long to reach this "Milestone".

The Petition started about May 2007 - eleven years ago now. The first signature count I recorded for the end of a month was 83 for the end of May 2017. Since then, they averaged 265 signatures per year - but the last year (since June 01 - a week still to go) saw only 125 new signatures - their worst year yet by far. Previous worst year was 1014/15 with 160 signatures. Best year was 2009/10 with 527.

The signature count for the "General Population"* has fared even worse in those 11 years: It peaked at almost 4,600/year in 2009/10, and has since declined for eight straigt years, falling to 446 this year (with a week to go, maybe they'll get to 450).


I thank Richard Gage and AE911Truth for the years of engagement delivering the data that proves that the 9/11 "Truth" Movement is tiny, weak, insignificant, and in constant decline.



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Their homepage says it's 3,001 A&E right now, and 22,143 "General Population". But a download of all names has exactly 3,000 and (coincidentally) exactly 22,000 signatures, respectively. I don't know why there is a discrepancy. I do my statistics based on the published count, not the actual count, as I download all signatures infrequently.
 
So they finally collected 3,000 Architects and Engineers from around the world, in 12 years. And that includes, what 210 AIA architects ?, from the 90,000 that AIA membership, and what, a couple hundred PE,s from the hundreds of thousands that exist.

Just shows the world is a big and there are many diverse views on every subject. It is very surprising to me that with so much publicity that they still have managed to dupe so few people.
 
Richard the G said:
So they finally collected 3,000 Architects and Engineers from around the world, in 12 years. And that includes, what 210 AIA architects ?, from the 90,000 that AIA membership, and what, a couple hundred PE,s from the hundreds of thousands that exist.

Just shows the world is a big and there are many diverse views on every subject. It is very surprising to me that with so much publicity that they still have managed to dupe so few people.
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All they do is raise some doubt with their inconsistent message. For someone who is not familiar with the details... doubt is easy to raise. I doubt most of the architects or engineers who signed are up to speed. There are a few who are and they are the ones which are really troubling.... such as Tony, By now he should know better and stop with his obfuscation and deception.
 
Oystein said:
Today, Gage's silly A&E Petition reached and exceed 3,000 signatories*.
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* Footnote:
Their homepage says it's 3,001 A&E right now, and 22,143 "General Population". But a download of all names has exactly 3,000 and (coincidentally) exactly 22,000 signatures, respectively. I don't know why there is a discrepancy. I do my statistics based on the published count, not the actual count, as I download all signatures infrequently.
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Two days later, AE came around to writing a newsletter celebrating the 3,000:
AE911Truth Petition Reaches Milestone of 3,000 Architects and Engineers!

In the meantime, they deleted one signature (Peter Brand, Mechanical engineer of Louisville, KY), so they now display 3,000 exactly, but their list actually only has 2,999 signatories. Oy vey ^^

AE911T said:
And so we decided to embark on the major task of compiling our 3,000 petition signers and their statements into one beautifully designed volume, organized by state and country. Our goal is to release the document no later than this year’s 9/11 anniversary, but we’ll publish it sooner if we can.
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Haha I can give them a file with all the names, bios and their statements in 5 minutes - and any decent publishing pro should be capable of formatting them for print in a day, and have time left to educate themselves about at least five of the common fallacies and errors believed by those idiots.
 
JSanderO said:
All they do is raise some doubt with their inconsistent message. For someone who is not familiar with the details... doubt is easy to raise. I doubt most of the architects or engineers who signed are up to speed. There are a few who are and they are the ones which are really troubling.... such as Tony, By now he should know better and stop with his obfuscation and deception.
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Which raises two probably equally disturbing possibilities:

1. He is aware and continues to maintain the fiction as a deliberate act of deception.

2. He is unaware, which by this point means he likely always will be.
 
Mark F said:
Which raises two probably equally disturbing possibilities:

1. He is aware and continues to maintain the fiction as a deliberate act of deception.

2. He is unaware, which by this point means he likely always will be.
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Technical "proofs" are really merely possible scenarios. One can't PROVE what happened and certainly what didn't happen. So it appears that most of the technical papers, analysis ultimately don't end the debate.

Some truther technical people produce their flawed papers and to the naive it looks as good technically as any other (less) flawed effort. The actual collapses though they theoretically can be modeled... practically they are far too complex to do it... and so engineers simplify and claim their simplification does not matter. And of course a lot of the data is simply assumed values.

Truthers haven't made an affirmative case convincing or otherwise. They push doubt and it ropes in those who want to believe we were lied to for whatever conspiracy/motive.
 
The US population in 2017 was 325,700,000

68% of the US population use Facebook.
51% of the US population use Facebook daily.
http://www.pewinternet.org/2018/03/01/social-media-use-in-2018/

Currently 494,607 people “Like” the AE911T Facebook page.

That’s 0.158% of just US Facebook users, or 0.298% of the US daily Facebook users.

Facebook has over 2.2 Billion users in the world.

I don’t have a calculator that will cope with the smallness of truther percentage of the world population.

Since 1 September 2018, AE911T’s best-performing post is their 9/11 post, and under 2,000 people around the world engaged with it.

AE911T posts every couple of days, and every other post since then has had less than 900 engagements, but the majority are under 200.
 
Why do intelligent people fall for the truther stuff? Clearly many people who call themselves supporters of the truther stuff are intelligent and educated... some with PhDs and so forth, college professors and professionals. Is it that they are not conversant with the actual facts? Or not facile with science and engineeing? Or maybe simply do not trust ANYTHING official or in the media?

Even if these people do accept the truther position as a default... why don't they look at any of the debunking?

If this a problem where the technical stuff is inaccessible to most and no one has made a easy to understand presentation for the average Joe? Much of the debunking requires a decent amount of science background.... so maybe people get lazy and trust without verifying????
 
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