Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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Foolmewunz said:
Could you explain this to us simple folk. What is the difference between coming by a part of your ancestry "by blood" and "through marriage"? There is no difference from what I can see. "Blood" ties are merely family/parental ties and being married or not makes no never mind. Unless you're talking about the current generation, those old marriages make up "blood" ties. (Current generation, obviously... I'm married to a Thai; I do not claim Thai ancestry. My son, however, is American-Thai. Are you claiming that his claim on Thainess is not legitimate because his daddy married into it? That makes no sense.)
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Your son is Thai, his cousin on your US side probably is not. His second cousin on the US side, almost certainly not.
 
Vixen said:
A second cousin even one times two, means there is even more chance the presumed NA 'heritage' comes through marriage rather than blood. All it means is that you share the same great-grandparents.

Please explain in which way Harry Gunn Reed 'looks NA'?
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You missed the point. In Mapes' family, the story passed down is that Warren and her shared great-grandfather had NA blood (not by marriage). She is telling the same family story of NA ancestry as Warren.

As for your question, you are baiting me in order to set up an accusation of racism. I know you far too well to fall for that.
 
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Vixen said:
Your son is Thai, his cousin on your US side probably is not. His second cousin on the US side, almost certainly not.
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That's because her son and his cousins share no common ancestor on the Thai side. Mapes and Warren do: Harry Gunn Reed.
 
Stacyhs said:
You missed the point. In Mapes' family, the story passed down is that Warren and her shared great-grandfather had NA blood (not marriage). She is telling the same family story of NA ancestry as Warren.

As for your question, you are baiting me in order to set up an accusation of racism. I know you far too well to fall for that.
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Not being funny, but HARRY appears to have the long skull so fetishised by Hitler and the Nazis.
 
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Vixen said:
Yes. Stacyhs producing a photo of Warren's grandfather seemingly to illustrate his Native Indian appearance is utterly bonkers as there is zero resemblance.
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And this coming from the poster who thinks that a couple who went to the next town to get married and returned the next day to announce their marriage to the surprise of their friends didn't 'elope' because they:
1) weren't underage
2) weren't married by a justice of the peace but by a minister.
3) couldn't have married quickly because the banns weren't published...when
banns aren't required by their church.

This coming from a poster who thinks that she knows

1) what stories were...or weren't...passed down in a family in
another country 50- 100 years ago.
2) what Warren's grandparents thought.
3) what Warren's grandparents felt.
4) what Warren's grandparent knew.

Oy vey.
 
Vixen said:
A second cousin even one times two, means there is even more chance the presumed NA 'heritage' comes through marriage rather than blood. All it means is that you share the same great-grandparents.
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Bwahahaha! That is just sheer ignorance at its worst.

If you share the same grandparents with someone else, THEN YOU ARE BOTH BLOOD DESCENDANTS OF THOSE GRANDPARENTS.

You really don't understand this? Good luck digging yourself out of that one as you refuse to admit you got it wrong.... again!
 
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Vixen said:
A second cousin even one times two, means there is even more chance the presumed NA 'heritage' comes through marriage rather than blood. All it means is that you share the same great-grandparents.

Please explain in which way Harry Gunn Reed 'looks NA'?
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smartcooky said:
Bwahahaha! That is just sheer ignorance at its worst.

If you share the same grandparents with someone else, THEN YOU ARE BOTH BLOOD DESCENDANTS OF THOSE GRANDPARENTS.

You really don't understand this? Good luck digging yourself out of that one as you refuse to admit you got it wrong.... again!
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But it will be fun watching the attempt.
 
smartcooky said:
Bwahahaha! That is just sheer ignorance at its worst.

If you share the same grandparents with someone else, THEN YOU ARE BOTH BLOOD DESCENDANTS OF THOSE GRANDPARENTS.

You really don't understand this? Good luck digging yourself out of that one as you refuse to admit you got it wrong.... again!
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You don't know if those brothers shared the same parents. One might have had a different father or mother.
 
Vixen said:
You don't know if those brothers shared the same parents. One might have had a different father or mother.
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I said it would be fun to watch. And it is.

Parents: Joseph Reed and Charity Reed
Brothers: Everett Bunn Reed (1870, Harry Gunn Reed (1872), Berlie Joseph Reed (1872) (all listed as children of Joseph and Charity)

Notice that Harry is the middle child so we know Joseph and Charity were married to each other at the time of his birth. So, unless you want to accuse Charity of having an affair and getting pregnant by that lover with either Harry or Berlie Joseph, I'd say they all have the same parents.
 
Vixen said:
You don't know if those brothers shared the same parents. One might have had a different father or mother.
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Might have. Or even your own mother might someone other than who you think! Since that is a distinct possibility, that means that nobody can know their heritage for sure. And since you can't know for sure that means any declaration you make other than "don't know" is dishonest.

"Ah but", you say, "I do know because I remember being born, and I definitely came out of my own mother's womb!". But that could be a false memory, or someone who just looked like your mother, or you might be in The Matrix. Either way you still don't know for sure who your own mother is.
 
Vixen said:
You don't know if those brothers shared the same parents. One might have had a different father or mother.
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Ah, so you are now you are going to pull out of left field something that you have no idea whether it is true or NOT (and the case of Warren and her family, it is definitely NOT true) in order to avoid admitting you are wrong.

Your sheer dishonestly is both breathtaking and boundless. You're like one of those Moon Hoax conspiracy theorists; always making up or inventing new and highly implausible scenarios to keep the alleged conspiracy alive.

You shovel must be getting worn out by now... you should go buy a new one
 
smartcooky said:
Ah, so you are now you are going to pull out of left field something that you have no idea whether it is true or NOT (and the case of Warren and her family, it is definitely NOT true) in order to avoid admitting you are wrong.

Your sheer dishonestly is both breathtaking and boundless. You're like one of those Moon Hoax conspiracy theorists; always making up or inventing new and highly implausible scenarios to keep the alleged conspiracy alive.

You shovel must be getting worn out by now... you should go buy a new one
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HARRY GUNN REED, Warren's grandfather is some kind of Delaware Native American?

That's not what the DNA test says.
 
Vixen said:
HARRY GUNN REED, Warren's grandfather is some kind of Delaware Native American?

That's not what the DNA test says.
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Irrelevant. Its not what I am taking you to task for.

You made a statement that was wrong on its face...

A second cousin even one times two, means there is even more chance the presumed NA 'heritage' comes through marriage rather than blood. All it means is that you share the same great-grandparents.
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THIS IS WRONG!

Your making up of angels on pinheads scenarios to try to weasel out of it does not stop you from being WRONG. Just admit it!
 
Vixen said:
Your son is Thai, his cousin on your US side probably is not. His second cousin on the US side, almost certainly not.
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But we're not talking about the current (my son's) generation as "ground zero". We're talking about four and five generations back. His current Thai cousins can obviously make no such claim on Neapolitano/Sicilian blood but that's not what Warren's case is all about. She's claiming lineage through her parents and grandparents. That's blood. Once the current generation "marries in", the ensuing generations from that line have "blood ties". And since we're talking about the ensuing generations this is just a diversion and has no bearing on the discussion.
 
smartcooky said:
If you share the same grandparents with someone else, THEN YOU ARE BOTH BLOOD DESCENDANTS OF THOSE GRANDPARENTS.
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And even if you shared just one grandparent with a person, that grandparent is still a blood ancestor of the two of you.

smartcooky said:
You really don't understand this? Good luck digging yourself out of that one as you refuse to admit you got it wrong.... again!
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That level of obtuseness is truly heroic - I'm thinking it has to be deliberate. I share one great-grandmother with a writer cited in this thread. My grandfather and her grandfather are different people, however, because they had different fathers. They were half brothers, not stepbrothers.

It takes a high level of confusion to believe that marriage somehow creates a blood relationship. Or, some people just like the attention they get from nonsensical posts. Like a few pages back when it was claimed that being part Cherokee really means half Cherokee.
 
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