Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

[Kestrel]

But I don't believe that's quite accurate. Some were forced to switch doctors because the doctors moved to other networks, and some were forced to switch plans because their cheap but nearly worthless plan was canceled by the provider. The ACA allowed them with a grandfather clause, but what Obama didn't talk about was that providers weren't compelled to keep providing those plans. That was Obama's "lie by omission."

The fun part is that it was common for insurance companies to drop plans and doctors long before the ACA went into effect. During one year I had to choose a new primary care physician three separate times because the old doctor had been dropped from the insurance company list.

But apparently Obama not spelling out every detail of a complicated plan made him just as bad as Trump who tells easily debunked whoppers several times a week.

 

[Stacyhs]

'She used the word as defined by the vast majority'? Really? So what was the problem, given her husband-to-be almost certainly had the same percentage of NA DNA in his ancestry as she did (especially if they go back to the 1600's in the USA)? Where is the controversy in their schlepping off to get married?

No flick knives or finger clicking there. No 'there's a place for us' epiphany.

Do you think they compared their DNA results in January of 1932, when they eloped?

Neither Warren's mother nor her husband-to-be had any reason to claim Native American ethnicity or culture.

It is a ridiculous story.

Absolutely not. That's the point. In that day and place having NA ancestry was something to be "ashamed" of, far from claiming it, the incentive would have been to hide it.

If anyone was hiding it, it would have been the father, not the mother as a majority of Americans have about 1% NA DNA. So, if she was 'ashamed' of her mother's (imaginary) Native American ethnicity he surely would not have known about it.

Again, you are making statements not based on any evidence. Quelle surprise. In 1932, there was no data as to how much, if any, NA DNA the majority of Americans had. As I said earlier, the only way anyone knew of any NA ancestry is if it were passed down through the family.

What gives you the idea that Warren was 'ashamed' of her mother's (real) NA ancestry? It was Warren's paternal grandparents who were the bigots.

Has it occurred to you that Warren's father was another generation removed from his Victorian parents' abhorance of the 'stain' of NA blood and 1) was not the bigot his parents were and/or 2) he loved Warren's mother and accepted her for who she was, including a relatively close NA ancestor?

Once again, what expertise in genetics do you have that would give credibility to your disclaiming Bustamante's finding that Warren does, indeed, have an unadulterated NA ancestor as close as a 3-4 X gr. grandparent?

Once again you have taken words out of my mouth and twisted them. I was responding to a poster who claimed (to sum up) 'no-one knew Warren had Native American ancestry, as it was something people kept hidden'.

Secondly, her blood is hardly stained if 'noone knew about DNA testing then' and there was NOTHING in her appearance or family appearance and NOTHING in her culture to suggest a Native American background.

In effect, the story about her parents 'eloping' because of the prejudice of his family is ridiculous.

I twisted nothing. It is you who has twisted what Distracted1 said. He did not say anything close to 'no-one knew Warren had Native American ancestry'. You made that part up. He said that, in those days "the incentive would have been to hide it". That is not the same thing as no one knowing about it. In no way can Distatracted1 know who knew of Warren's ancestry outside the family. I agree that most people would have hidden it for the very reason Warren's parents disapproved of the marriage: bigotry. But that does NOT mean that no one knew about it.

As to your second bit of nonsense, there didn't have to be DNA testing then for people to be racist against Native Americans and those with NA ancestry. All that was necessary was for people to hear about it even if only rumors. And Warren's mother didn't have to look NA for there to be prejudice any more then a quadroon or octoroon had to look black for them to be considered black and for them not to be able to legally marry a white person.
Honestly. What is ridiculous is for you to keep digging. Has anyone in this thread agreed with you? No. There's a reason for that.

 

[Stacyhs]

Thank you for admitting it would have been UNKNOWN to all that Warren had a 1% DNA trace of Native American, never mind having 'to elope' over it and tick the box as an ethnic minority whilst a Republican.

Oh good lord. So you don't think there were family stories passed down and small town gossip before DNA testing?

Sheesh.

 

[Vixen]

Oh good lord. So you don't think there were family stories passed down and small town gossip before DNA testing?

Sheesh.

There was no family story handed down, other than some BS Warren claims about 'grandpa had high cheek bones'.

Seriously?

People retain culture through the generations. I know Jews who have been in Britain for many generations, yet they have retained their original Sephardic or Yiddish culture, which is handed down by way of naming, traditions, food, even down to their locality.

I know plenty people of Irish, Scottish or Welsh roots which is reflected in their names, food, customs association with others.

Warren hasn't mentioned any Native American culture in her roots at all. Why? Because it is bunkum.

Her grandfather had zero reason to suspect or even dream her grandmother was of Native American extraction.

 

[Minoosh]

People retain culture through the generations.

Some times they do, sometimes they don't.

 

[smartcooky]

Thank you for admitting it would have been UNKNOWN to all that Warren had a 1% DNA trace of Native American, never mind having 'to elope' over it and tick the box as an ethnic minority whilst a Republican.

Jesus H. Tap Dancing Christ, you really can't admit you are wrong can you?

YOU ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT DNA IN THE 1930'S

Just keep diggin' that big ol' hole

 

[smartcooky]

There was no family story handed down...

And you know this because?

People retain culture through the generations.

Utter rubbish.

I have French Huguenot heritage. The only reason I know this because that is a story that my great-grand father, my grandfather and my father handed down to me. That my DNA testing supports this story gives me considerable confidence that they were right.

However, we have not retained a single bit of Hugenot culture in our family.

Some people care about their family history, some people don't

 

[dudalb]

And the US unemployment rate is about 3.7%, the lowest rate since 1969.

SO economics is the only thing that matters to you, the long term damage that Trump is doing to democracy in the US with his divisive ,inflammatory rhetoric and his demonizing ethnic groups does not really matter? That the racial divide n this country seems to be growing much worse since 2016 is unimportant?

ANd I maintain that unemployment levels alone are NOT a good indicator of how strong an economy really is. That actual wages are if anything decresing should be a matter of concern.

That with a good economy Trump is so extremely unpopular should tell you something.

 

[Vixen]

And you know this because?



Utter rubbish.

I have French Huguenot heritage. The only reason I know this because that is a story that my great-grand father, my grandfather and my father handed down to me. That my DNA testing supports this story gives me considerable confidence that they were right.

However, we have not retained a single bit of Hugenot culture in our family.

Some people care about their family history, some people don't

You're not a protestant? You don't have a French derived surname or even Christian name?

For example, like Simon Le Bon?

 

[Stacyhs]

There was no family story handed down, other than some BS Warren claims about 'grandpa had high cheek bones'.

Seriously?

People retain culture through the generations. I know Jews who have been in Britain for many generations, yet they have retained their original Sephardic or Yiddish culture, which is handed down by way of naming, traditions, food, even down to their locality.

I know plenty people of Irish, Scottish or Welsh roots which is reflected in their names, food, customs association with others.

Warren hasn't mentioned any Native American culture in her roots at all. Why? Because it is bunkum.

Her grandfather had zero reason to suspect or even dream her grandmother was of Native American extraction.

What a load of utter hogwash. Once again, you proclaim to know something you have absolutely zero knowledge about. YOU think you know what was and wasn't passed down in some complete stranger's family a hundred years ago? You think YOU know what Warren's paternal grandparents knew or not? Seriously? SERIOUSLY??

Her cousin has backed up her story:

As a child growing up in rural Arizona, Ina Mapes remembers her mother as a highly discreet woman who rarely expressed her personal feelings except when it came to one particularly incendiary topic: Did Mapes’s father, a raven-haired lawyer, have Native American roots, or did he not? Mapes’s grandmother maintained that he had one-quarter tribal blood. But her mother wanted to hear nothing of it.

“My mother did not approve of Indians, and she insisted that my father was not an Indian,” said Mapes, 77, of Catalina, Ariz. “In those days, it was not a plus to be an Indian, not at all. She said that Granny was making it up."

The stories shared by Mapes, as well as Warren's brothers and a number of cousins, echo Warren's assertion.

(Boston Globe)

Americans, after a couple or three generations, do not tend to pass down their ancestral culture except when that culture is entwined with religion such as Judaism. Immigrants, especially the children of immigrants, wanted to assimilate. Many refused to even teach their children their native language. My grandmother and her siblings, raised by two German speaking immigrants, knew virtually no German.

 

[Stacyhs]

You're not a protestant? You don't have a French derived surname or even Christian name?

For example, like Simon Le Bon?

Americans are not like Europeans with long family trees of mostly the same country or culture. I have Huguenot, Swiss, Danish, English, Irish, Scottish, and Creek ancestry. Some were Protestants, some Quakers, some Catholic. Is the fact that I don't speak those languages, am not a Protestant, a Quaker, or a Catholic evidence that I don't have their DNA?

Warren not having Cherokee or Delaware culture within her family does not mean she does not have that ancestry. Honestly, your logic is...well... something else.

 

[Vixen]

What a load of utter hogwash. Once again, you proclaim to know something you have absolutely zero knowledge about. YOU think you know what was and wasn't passed down in some complete stranger's family a hundred years ago? You think YOU know what Warren's paternal grandparents knew or not? Seriously? SERIOUSLY??

Her cousin has backed up her story:

(Boston Globe)

Americans, after a couple or three generations, do not tend to pass down their ancestral culture except when that culture is entwined with religion such as Judaism. Immigrants, especially the children of immigrants, wanted to assimilate. Many refused to even teach their children their native language. My grandmother and her siblings, raised by two German speaking immigrants, knew virtually no German.

Being 'raven-haired' means nothing. Lots of Irish are naturally raven-haired, without being Native American.

My American friend believes she has Native American in her family because of raven-hairedness, yet it doesn't stop them having a Confederate flag on the lawn and seeing themselves as all -American Bible-belt regular guys.

No way would she ever put a tick in the box as an ethnic minority and no, she is not 'ashamed' of her hypothetical NA phenotype.

What does 'cousin' mean here anyway? First, second, third, once, twice removed? We don't know if Mapes' father is related to Warren by blood or by marriage.

 

[Stacyhs]

Being 'raven-haired' means nothing. Lots of Irish are naturally raven-haired, without being Native American.

My American friend believes she has Native American in her family because of raven-hairedness, yet it doesn't stop them having a Confederate flag on the lawn and seeing themselves as all -American Bible-belt regular guys.

No way would she ever put a tick in the box as an ethnic minority and no, she is not 'ashamed' of her hypothetical NA phenotype.

And any of what you just wrote is relevant how?

What my post did was show that Warren's extended family supports the stories of NA ancestry in her family...stories you say never happened. Because, like..you were there, right?

 

[Minoosh]

No way would she ever put a tick in the box as an ethnic minority and no, she is not 'ashamed' of her hypothetical NA phenotype.

OK, so that's one data point ...

 

[Vixen]

Americans are not like Europeans with long family trees of mostly the same country or culture. I have Huguenot, Swiss, Danish, English, Irish, Scottish, and Creek ancestry. Some were Protestants, some Quakers, some Catholic. Is the fact that I don't speak those languages, am not a Protestant, a Quaker, or a Catholic evidence that I don't have their DNA?

Warren not having Cherokee or Delaware culture within her family does not mean she does not have that ancestry. Honestly, your logic is...well... something else.

You were born with a first name and a last name were you not? They reflect your parents' culture. If there is no culture in your family of Huguenot, Swiss, Danish, English, Irish, Scottish, and Creek, I am guessing you do not refer to yourself as such.

 

[Stacyhs]

You were born with a first name and a last name were you not? They reflect your parents' culture. If there is no culture in your family of Huguenot, Swiss, Danish, English, Irish, Scottish, and Creek, I am guessing you do not refer to yourself as such.

A first name my father got out of a novel he was reading during a long flight that had nothing to do with my ancestry. My maiden name is from my father's adopted father. They do not reflect my "culture".

Until DNA testing, most Americans only had a very vague knowledge of their ancestry beyond their grandparents or perhaps great-grandparents.

Have I referred to myself as those? Yep. I say I'm a hodgepodge of all the above.

What do you think Warren should have been named instead of Elizabeth? Adsila? Immookalee? Tsistunagiska?

 

[smartcooky]

You're not a protestant?

I'm an Atheist. my Dad was a Freemason. His Dad was a Freemason.

You don't have a French derived surname or even Christian name?

Welsh and English surnames on that side of the family.

My given name is Scottish.

 

[Stacyhs]

Zero points to Vixen. I.E. the usual.

 

[LSSBB]

You were born with a first name and a last name were you not? They reflect your parents' culture. If there is no culture in your family of Huguenot, Swiss, Danish, English, Irish, Scottish, and Creek, I am guessing you do not refer to yourself as such.

My last name is a very common Welsh last name. And as a brother who traced our ancestors back to the middle of the 19th century found out, and took a DNA test to check, it appears to have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my ancestry, because at a certain point we don't match our family name forebears.

My Mom's side is much clearer, however it's a mishmash of German, Scottish, and I think French.

My culture is American.

 

[smartcooky]

Being 'raven-haired' means nothing. Lots of Irish are naturally raven-haired, without being Native American.

My American friend believes she has Native American in her family because of raven-hairedness, yet it doesn't stop them having a Confederate flag on the lawn and seeing themselves as all -American Bible-belt regular guys.

No way would she ever put a tick in the box as an ethnic minority and no, she is not 'ashamed' of her hypothetical NA phenotype.

What does 'cousin' mean here anyway? First, second, third, once, twice removed? We don't know if Mapes' father is related to Warren by blood or by marriage.

You were born with a first name and a last name were you not? They reflect your parents' culture. If there is no culture in your family of Huguenot, Swiss, Danish, English, Irish, Scottish, and Creek, I am guessing you do not refer to yourself as such.