Cont: The Trump Presidency X: 10-10 'til we do it again

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Delphic Oracle said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-reason-they-hate-trump-1540148467

He's not right, but he's not wrong.

Personally I do find people who embody the qualities described here to be insufferably grating. Their personal and professional lives being a flaming train wreck of insipid drama and otherwise easily-avoided calamities just tend to confirm my initial suspicions.

Also, gotta love an anti-intellectual screed from a Yale grad who writes for WSJ.
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That piece is almost physically painful in its multi-level wrongness.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
he’s not right, but he’s not wrong.
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I disagree. He’s almost entirely wrong.

Lots of Americans, left and right, hate Trump‘s vulgarity (and immaturity and pettiness).

The rest of the list is just lies and projection.

Unwillingness to walk away from a fight? Sure, if his lawyers can threaten a subcontractor with crippling legal expenses, or he has a wall of security guys and mobs of true believers in front of him while he’s bellowing that someone should get roughed up. But he’s a coward, and his record shows that he has run away from many fights, e.g. settling many many lawsuits despite his lie that he never does.

Bluntness? That’s just cheap bumper-sticker blathering held up as some sort of plain speaking. American exceptionalism? He doesn’t even understand America; he’s holding up a cartoon version that reflects his own limited intellect and prejudices. Mistrust of intellectuals? What he has is a contempt for expertise, especially since expertise so often refutes his wrong ideas. Simple ideas? The problem is that they don’t work, because the real world is complicated.

The biggest howler of all, though, is that “he has no ideology except to get the job done”. I am amazed that any reasonably intelligent person could write such bilge with a straight face. We have decades of proof that Donald Trump has one ideology: Donald Trump. The service of his bank accounts and his ego and his physical desires are the Alpha and Omega, the sunrise and sunset, the all that there is of Donald Trump. He will break any law, trample underfoot any norm of decency, throw under the bus the most loyal follower, in order to protect that one sole interest. America, as far as he is concerned, does not exist except to service Donald Trump.
 
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Regnad Kcin said:
That piece is almost physically painful in its multi-level wrongness.
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I found it spot on. Those are traits of many americans.i dislike trump. I dislike most Americans. Just because most Americans dislike trump doesn't mean they are on my side.

The majority who oppose trump are religious. They are not avatars of skepticism.
 
Belz... said:
Not bad, Slings. I have to give you points for trying to give the impression that the second quote is a response to the first.

Wake me up when this sort of vigilante sentiment becomes commonplace.
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But who the hell is Andre[1]? Is she an important figure in the Democratic party?

The President of the United States praises a man who is guilty of assaulting a reporter and Slings quotes this apparent nobody to show how the Democrats are beyond the pale? (Again, if this person matters, let me know. I certainly don't know the name. Far as I can tell from a quick Google is that she is an open source coder.)

[1] Perhaps the name is Andrea. This seems to be the case on other sites.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
I found it spot on. Those are traits of many americans.i dislike trump. I dislike most Americans. Just because most Americans dislike trump doesn't mean they are on my side.

The majority who oppose trump are religious. They are not avatars of skepticism.
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What do you base this on??
 
KDLarsen said:
There's also the part about Congress not being in session to pass said tax cuts. Not that that's stopping Trump from going on about it, even when this was pointed out to him:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1054503698334969863

Another one for the "Trump has no idea how government actually works"-file.
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Trump thinks that the stock market creates wealth, that a trade imbalance means that other countries are ripping us off, and that China will be paying his tariffs. And yet, when this dangerously ignorant wannabe tycoon cum con-artist cum reality TV game show host claims to be a "genius" with a degree from Wharton School of Business, the cult goes "Woooooo!"
 
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BobTheCoward said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Attendance

Only 18.2 % of US is non religious. Trump has a 44% approval rating. Even if every supporter was religious, religious non supporters would still outnumber non religious non supporters.


ETA: His disapproval would have to be down to 36.3% for it even to be numerically possible for the majority of opposers to not be religious.
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I would be willing to bet, however, that there's a negative correlation between Trump opposers and the religious. Specifically, I expect that the percentage of nonreligious among Trump supporters is greater than the percentage of nonreligious among the general population.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Re Trump and non-supporters who are religious...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Attendance

Only 18.2 % of US is non religious. Trump has a 44% approval rating. Even if every supporter was religious, religious non supporters would still outnumber non religious non supporters.
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You might actually be right in that those who disapprove of Trump are composed of more than just full-blown atheists.

I think the problem is when people think of "religious" people supporting Trump they are picturing christian evangelicals; the hypocrites who make religion a central focus of their lives (despite not having any real clue about their religious book). Those who may claim they believe in god but never go to church, or only go a couple of times a year, may count as "believers", but some may not consider them particularly religious.

So, is someone who goes to church on Christmas only and dislikes Trump considered 'religious'? I don't think there's any solid answer for that either way.
 
Cabbage said:
I would be willing to bet, however, that there's a negative correlation between Trump opposers and the religious. Specifically, I expect that the percentage of nonreligious among Trump supporters is greater than the percentage of nonreligious among the general population.
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Just admit I was right.
 
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