Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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quadraginta said:
The New York Times Magazine, the New Yorker, Time, and Life were obviously all obscure rags back then which few people would ever have seen.

Nothing they published could ever become common knowledge.

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You seem to have missed out the adjective "failing" in front of those media outlets, which would explain why I've never heard of any of them before now.
 
Vixen said:
Single drop ideology? So now she is being discriminated against?

What do you mean, 5th grandparent not of NA parentage? A 'cousin' relationship once or twice removed?
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She says that her family history was that her great great great grandparent(s) had Native American ancestry.


The fact that it was "ancestry" and not "parentage" suggests that it wasn't the parents, but before then.

It is analogous to your claim.

You can claim that you can trace your ancestry to the Swedish royal family - but can't claim to be royal.

Likewise, Warren can claim Native American ancestry at a level consistent with her family history. She can't and hasn't claimed membership of any particular tribe, even though, if the records existed*, she probably should have been able to.


*Many people hid their ancestry due to it being a social hindrance during much of the 19th and 20th Centuries.
 
Stacyhs said:
Your original claim was that Democrats are saying she's Indian. They aren't and no one in this thread...no one...has said she is an Indian. That's why you cannot quote anyone saying she is an Indian. What her detractors ARE saying is that she's NOT an Indian. Well, hell's bells...we aren't saying she is in the first place!

What Harvard chose to call her is on Harvard, not Democrats. Sounds more like Harvard trying to exploit it than Warren herself. All evidence shows that Warren never gained personally or professionally from listing herself as a minority. Was ticking that box a mistake? In hindsight, yes. But mostly because her political opponents made a damn mountain out of a molehill because that's all they have against her and political mudslinging has hit an all time low.

The cookbook is just nonsense "evidence". It was a cookbook for chrissake! She put in a couple recipes as a favor to her cousin, the author, and listed the tribe she believed she had lineage from. The cousin also believed they shared Cherokee lineage. So freaking tar and feather her for believing family stories. String her up! (or maybe you prefer "Lock her up").

Why do you keep insisting the DNA does not support her claim of NA descent? She never said it proves she has CHEROKEE descent as no DNA test can do that (despite Vixen's claims). The DNA test DOES show she has NA DNA in the amount that would be consistent with her claims of a 4X great grandparent. So stop saying the DNA proves she isn't what she says she is. It's like Trump saying Kavanaugh was proved innocent. He wasn't proved innocent or guilty.

ETA: And the use of Fauxcahontas and Pocahontas are still neither clever nor witty...unless you're 8 years old.
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I've posted a link where she signed a her cousin's 5 tribes Pow Wow Chow cookbook recipe "Elizabeth Warren - Cherokee". Your assertion that this is meaningless is just silly. I kept receiving challenges in here to find any reference to her claiming to be a Cherokee or a Native American and I provided both.

I've posted a link to a video where she says her mother was part Cherokee and another tribe.

I've posted a link to a Boston Globe report that she changed her status to Native American at two different colleges. So "ticking the box" wasn't just a mistake because she did it twice in different places at different times. She intentionally wanted them to think she was an Indian and not just a rich white woman.

Everyone knows her DNA does not prove she is a Cherokee or any of her ancestors were of any American Indian Tribe, and that distant ancestor could very will be from south of the border. It proves nothing meaningful in her assertion that she is part Cherokee. Just do a search on it because it was reported all over. The small percentage of the relevant DNA is not enough for her to make the claims she has made about being a Native American or a Cherokee, or even partially.

Here's a link that shows her DNA was compared to samples from Mexico, Columbia, and Peru -- not Native Americans.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-nation-slams-warren-dna-results/1656463002/

The Cherokee Nation says DNA can't prove she is Cherokee and she has nothing she has produced nothing to change that.

I had one more significant point to make, but I've been watching the football game while writing this and forgot what it was...

Maybe later, but there is a lot of football today. :)
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I've posted a link where she signed a her cousin's 5 tribes Pow Wow Chow cookbook recipe "Elizabeth Warren - Cherokee". Your assertion that this is meaningless is just silly.
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Well, the whole damn thing is silly...but it is undeniably true that the Kookbook Kerfuffle is meaningless. Did that establish her tribal affiliation? Did she receive benefits from that? No and no. I wouldn’t be surprised if we found the elusive recipe for the Nothingburger in that book...

I kept receiving challenges in here to find any reference to her claiming to be a Cherokee or a Native American and I provided both.
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Congratulations! You won the challenge. Here’s your rubber chicken. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes, I think.



I've posted a link to a video where she says her mother was part Cherokee and another tribe.
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What you haven’t done is post anything indicating why anyone should care about any of this. Her claims to minority status and Cherokee heritage have absolutely no impact on her service and accomplishments.



I've posted a link to a Boston Globe report that she changed her status to Native American at two different colleges. So "ticking the box" wasn't just a mistake because she did it twice in different places at different times. She intentionally wanted them to think she was an Indian and not just a rich white woman.
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Yes, she played the stupid game and her stupid prize was people like Trump (!) calling her Pocahontas. That’s the long and short of this. To any reasonable person, this is a non-issue. It’s only an issue because our political system is so broken that politicians don’t even argue about issues anymore, just this kind of nonsense. Aren’t you tired of this kind of ******** point scoring?



Everyone knows her DNA does not prove she is a Cherokee or any of her ancestors were of any American Indian Tribe, ...
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I think the evidence shows that she likely has some Native American ancestry, whatever tribe it may be. But that means absolutely nothing; many of us Americans do -how could we not? What should matter is who we are today. Let’s end this nonsense and maybe someone can start another thread about Warren attacking her political positions -you know the stuff that matters.



I had one more significant point to make, but I've been watching the football game while writing this and forgot what it was...



Maybe later, but there is a lot of football today. :)
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Yes. An excellent illustration of where this issue lies on the importance scale. I too would rather watch football. Go ‘Phins!


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BrooklynBaby said:
I've posted a link where she signed a her cousin's 5 tribes Pow Wow Chow cookbook recipe "Elizabeth Warren - Cherokee". Your assertion that this is meaningless is just silly. I kept receiving challenges in here to find any reference to her claiming to be a Cherokee or a Native American and I provided both.
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No, you haven't posted anything where she claimed to be "a Cherokee" or "a Native American." The distinction is not pedantic since your entire argument is based on distorting her claims, and no amount of beating will revive that poor horse.
 
WilliamSeger said:
No, you haven't posted anything where she claimed to be "a Cherokee" or "a Native American." The distinction is not pedantic since your entire argument is based on distorting her claims, and no amount of beating will revive that poor horse.
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If you would just admit that you -- and apparently every other Fauxcahontas supporter in here -- will never accept any evidence of any type that there is zero evidence Fauxcahontas is a Cherokee, Native American, or part thereof, like she has claimed for decades, then we can all just move along. Because that is clearly the case. Oh, and I've provided links to all of my major points, so you should be criticizing them, not me.

Oh, and to whoever it was who responded to every line in one of my posts, I don't ever respond to those or even read them, whether they are addressed to me or anyone else.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
If you would just admit that you -- and apparently every other Fauxcahontas supporter in here -- will never accept any evidence of any type that there is zero evidence Fauxcahontas is a Cherokee, Native American, or part thereof, like she has claimed for decades, then we can all just move along. Because that is clearly the case. Oh, and I've provided links to all of my major points, so you should be criticizing them, not me.
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One big problem though is the way you express things as binary that are not binary.

Many years ago, Warren apparently self-identified as NA. I think this was highly disingenuous, even taking into account her understanding of family history via her family. However there is no evidence that she benefited. There's nothing I've heard her say ever since this emerged during her senate campaign that justifies the attacks.

Oh, and to whoever it was who responded to every line in one of my posts, I don't ever respond to those or even read them, whether they are addressed to me or anyone else.
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How utterly bizarre.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
If you would just admit that you -- and apparently every other Fauxcahontas supporter in here -- will never accept any evidence of any type that there is zero evidence Fauxcahontas is a Cherokee, Native American, or part thereof, like she has claimed for decades, then we can all just move along. Because that is clearly the case. Oh, and I've provided links to all of my major points, so you should be criticizing them, not me...
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Try again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ren-dna-test-is-wrong/?utm_term=.e5b684b7dab8



BrooklynBaby said:
...Oh, and to whoever it was who responded to every line in one of my posts, I don't ever respond to those or even read them, whether they are addressed to me or anyone else.
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Cool. I know you are but what am I?
 
Upchurch said:
Man, I'd hate to hear what you guys think of the Daughter of the American Revolution.
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DAR started as nativist anti immigrant organization. Defining themselves as real Americans in contrast to more recent arrivals such as the Irish.

Over time the organization has become far less bigoted, racist and intolerant.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
If you would just admit that you -- and apparently every other Fauxcahontas supporter in here -- will never accept any evidence of any type that there is zero evidence Fauxcahontas is a Cherokee, Native American, or part thereof, like she has claimed for decades, then we can all just move along. Because that is clearly the case. Oh, and I've provided links to all of my major points, so you should be criticizing them, not me.

Oh, and to whoever it was who responded to every line in one of my posts, I don't ever respond to those or even read them, whether they are addressed to me or anyone else.
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No cheating; you haven't posted any links that refute Warren's actual claims. You're just insisting that everyone must accept your exaggerated and distorted interpretation of the claims and the evidence, and your suspicions of her motivations. Unfortunately, the evidence so far doesn't actually tell the story you so desperately want it to tell, but you seem to think it might eventually if you just keep repeating the same story over and over. But hey, if you can come up with some actual evidence that Warren took unethical advantage of her justified belief that she had NA ancestors, we'll see what happens.

But frankly, I hope Warren doesn't run. I'd love to see Warren as the Majority Leader in the Senate under President Biden or Harris. Which reminds me, I do believe Republicans might do well to focus first on who the Republicans are gonna nominate, since there are at least a dozen Democrats who could beat Trump -- if he's still in office by then.
 
I'm wondering if Nikki Haley is being groomed as a pinch-hitter in 2020 if Trump self-destructs and/or Mueller flushes the golden toilet. I'm also hoping that Trump is wondering that. :D
 
BrooklynBaby said:
If you would just admit that you -- and apparently every other Fauxcahontas supporter in here -- will never accept any evidence of any type that there is zero evidence Fauxcahontas is a Cherokee, Native American, or part thereof, like she has claimed for decades, then we can all just move along. Because that is clearly the case. Oh, and I've provided links to all of my major points, so you should be criticizing them, not me.

Oh, and to whoever it was who responded to every line in one of my posts, I don't ever respond to those or even read them, whether they are addressed to me or anyone else.
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You haven't provided any evidence. Just wild ass speculation by others trying to smear Warren. Sorry, that doesn't cut it. And why the hell do you care?

Is it honesty? Doesn't seem likely. Trump has lied and cheated his way through his entire life. His father was committing tax fraud on his behalf when he was 5 and Trump has committed tax fraud, charity fraud and real estate his entire life and his children have been carrying on that tradition.
Trump lied to avoid serving in Vietnam. Trump lied when he said he was self made when in fact he was the luckiest of sperms. Trump lied about paying off women he was having affairs with. He lied about releasing his tax returns. He lied and lied and lied and he continues to lie.

And yet here we have outrage over Elizabeth Warren checking a box that says she is part Native American and all of the Republicans have their panties in a twist? No one can prove Warren isn't part Native American and no one can't prove she knows she not Native American either.

And I simply can't get over why what is at worst a very minor exaggeration demands a microscope and condemnation and yet massive dishonesty by Trump is summarily dismissed as in 'who cares'?

Seriously, is it a tenth as bad as even one of the things I've pointed out about Trump? Where is Big Dog's posts hammering Trump on any of that? Still, he has posted 167 times about Warren's heritage.
Where are your posts hammering Trump's lies and frauds? Yet you have posted 31 times in this thread.

The level of massive hypocrisy and intellectual and moral dishonesty is staggering.
 
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acbytesla said:
Trump has lied and cheated his way through his entire life. His father was committing tax fraud on his behalf when he was 5 and Trump has committed tax fraud and charity fraud his entire life and his children have been carrying on that tradition.

Trump lied to avoid serving in Vietnam. Trump lied when he said he was self made when in fact he was the luckiest of sperms. Trump lied about paying off women he was having affairs with. He lied about releasing his tax returns. He lied and lied and lied and he continues to lie.

Massive dishonesty by Trump is summarily dismissed as in who cares?

Seriously, is it a tenth as bad as even one of the things I've pointed out about Trump? Where is Big Dog's posts hammering Trump on any of that?

Where are your posts hammering Trump's lies and frauds?
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It's sure a good thing this thread is titled "Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread," otherwise someone might mistake it for one of the dozens of other Trump bashing threads.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I've posted a link where she signed a her cousin's 5 tribes Pow Wow Chow cookbook recipe "Elizabeth Warren - Cherokee".
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No you didn't. You posted a link to a picture of a recipe book page where someone had labelled her submission that way. Probably whoever compiled the recipe book.

A relative (as you point out) who seemed to be aware of the family ancestry.

It's more like evidence in support of her than against.

Your assertion that this is meaningless is just silly.

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Far less silly than the claims you are making based on it.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
It's sure a good thing this thread is titled "Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread," otherwise someone might mistake it for one of the dozens of other Trump bashing threads.
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I want an explanation why you, Big Dog, Prestige, Brooklyn Baby etc and the people bashing Warren over this ABSOLUTELY ignore and dismiss Trump's dishonesty.

I want to understand what goes through the heads of people who feel the need to go after a woman who's whole career has been about helping others avoid the kind of fraud committed by banks and people like Trump. Why they care about something that doesn't appear to have hurt anyone. And at the same time they could give a **** when Trump lies to defraud students and others out of their money?

Where is the perspective? Seriously, please explain why this matters and Trump's non stop lying and fraud doesn't raise an eyebrow from you all.
 
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