Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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Belz... said:
Well, see, if Warren has lied or fibbed once in her life, you can't complain about Trump's alledged lies without being a hypocrite.

Simple.
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Yep.

This is it folks. It is now simply literally impossible to have an opinion about anything in the political sphere that just is... it has to be compared to the other side (for there are only two sides and everyone is a member of them and they are both Borg collectives that all think the same thing).

I said that was Elizabeth Warren did was a little... off and the sort of thing that would set a lot of Democrats had someone from the other tribe did it.

And BOOM. This means I support Trump, don't care about any of the things Trump has ever done, and I guess I eat babies and tie fair maidens to the railroad track while I twirl my handlebar mustache.
 
All this ferment over a piddling cookbook! I didn't know such could be considered any kind of 'official' document. And her citing, based on family lore, a certain tribal connection cannot be taken as more than the relaying of heresay, certain not not as some calculated attempt at aggrandizing appropriation.

- Warren has said she was told of native heritage back in the family tree.
- I gather she has not used this for personal advantage (affirmative action.)
- A test shows a small but meaningful contribution of Native DNA.

Should be "case closed."

But no, the political maelstrom cannot let anything rest. No one can ever be wrong and honorably retreat.
 
Lurch said:
All this ferment over a piddling cookbook! I didn't know such could be considered any kind of 'official' document. And her citing, based on family lore, a certain tribal connection cannot be taken as more than the relaying of heresay, certain not not as some calculated attempt at aggrandizing appropriation.

- Warren has said she was told of native heritage back in the family tree.
- I gather she has not used this for personal advantage (affirmative action.)
- A test shows a small but meaningful contribution of Native DNA.

Should be "case closed."

But no, the political maelstrom cannot let anything rest. No one can ever be wrong and honorably retreat.
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I'll let the Cherokee nation that you disapprove of their claims that warren is improperly appropriating their heritage.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yep.

This is it folks. It is now simply literally impossible to have an opinion about anything in the political sphere that just is... it has to be compared to the other side (for there are only two sides and everyone is a member of them and they are both Borg collectives that all think the same thing).

I said that was Elizabeth Warren did was a little... off and the sort of thing that would set a lot of Democrats had someone from the other tribe did it.

And BOOM. This means I support Trump, don't care about any of the things Trump has ever done, and I guess I eat babies and tie fair maidens to the railroad track while I twirl my handlebar mustache.
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Nah. Nobody thinks that you support Trump. I think everybody understands it's just Joe doing his über-curmudgeon schtick (again).
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yep.

This is it folks. It is now simply literally impossible to have an opinion about anything in the political sphere that just is... it has to be compared to the other side (for there are only two sides and everyone is a member of them and they are both Borg collectives that all think the same thing).
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Yes! And there's otherwise intelligent people participating, even driving, this replacement for rational discourse. They say Millenials overwhelmingly support having a third party. Okay, time to act on that.
 
I'm not sure how "Hey everybody there's more to the world than two political parties scoring points on each other" is curmudgeonly.
 
Imhotep said:
Yes! And there's otherwise intelligent people participating, even driving, this replacement for rational discourse. They say Millenials overwhelmingly support having a third party. Okay, time to act on that.
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Get some money behind that idea. I think there are many moderates that would love to disassociate with GOP and DNC policies.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Not that this remotely resembles a formal debate, but if it were, then there would be a formal resolution under debate (e.g. "Resolved: Warren took unethical advantage of a false heritage claim"), and there would be two "sides": affirmative and negative. Yes, there would also be some interested spectators and some who just like to argue even though they really don't care about the issue, but you seem to be reading something into what I said that wasn't intended. Would you be happier if I say there is a "faction" here that really, really wants to make this about "identity politics" when it really isn't?
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So we do not, in fact, count. Pick a side, dammit! :rolleyes:
 
xjx388 said:
It's all because these ethnic ties are still so important for so many people, for some reason. I continue to maintain that we have to find a way to move past these ethnic labels if we ever hope to rid ourselves of such stupidity. Until we do move past it though, I think it was a bad move for Warren to continue to make an issue of it.
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I rather think she participated in the families of NA cookbook and listed herself in a faculty directory because those ethnic ties were important to her at that time. It's such a trivial thing, yet Republicans have made such a big deal out of it. I'm just picturing these same people who are pretending that a 1984 cookbook matters running around on Saint Patrick's Day giving everyone wearing a "kiss me I'm Irish" pin the same level of scrutiny.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yep.

This is it folks. It is now simply literally impossible to have an opinion about anything in the political sphere that just is... it has to be compared to the other side (for there are only two sides and everyone is a member of them and they are both Borg collectives that all think the same thing).

I said that was Elizabeth Warren did was a little... off and the sort of thing that would set a lot of Democrats had someone from the other tribe did it.

And BOOM. This means I support Trump, don't care about any of the things Trump has ever done, and I guess I eat babies and tie fair maidens to the railroad track while I twirl my handlebar mustache.
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What in the blue hell are you on about? What made you think I was talking about you?

****, man, calm down.
 
wareyin said:
I rather think she participated in the families of NA cookbook and listed herself in a faculty directory because those ethnic ties were important to her at that time. It's such a trivial thing, yet Republicans have made such a big deal out of it. I'm just picturing these same people who are pretending that a 1984 cookbook matters running around on Saint Patrick's Day giving everyone wearing a "kiss me I'm Irish" pin the same level of scrutiny.
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That and in 1984 publishing was very different. She might not have even signed off on it! It might have been the cousin!
 
Elagabalus said:
OK, I agree.

Try this out. She needs to start referring to him as GRAPE JUICE DONNY.

Because he Welches™ (on his bet).

It right out of Trump's playbook but I think it will work.
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Sometimes I think someone should just start calling him "dumbass,". In all seriousness, someone needs to call him out on the childish name calling. Maybe that would be the way.
 
In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent?

2018 Sep 4-12

Republicans / Independents / Democrats

26% / 44% / 27%
 
Meadmaker said:
Sometimes I think someone should just start calling him "dumbass,". In all seriousness, someone needs to call him out on the childish name calling. Maybe that would be the way.
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"Hey Dumbass stop calling people names, don't you know it's childish?"

Yeah that tracks.
 
theprestige said:
For me the hilarious bits about the cookbook are the recipes. Not only are they not even hers, they're not even native.
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Er, who says they were required to be "native"?

Seems like a local effort to publish recipes from local families claiming Indian heritage, nothing more. You expect every recipe to come from Indian cooking? You think most Okie families with Indian ancestors cook a lot of traditional Indian dishes? And that the other recipes uniformly trace back to the sort of thing cooked on the tribe's campfires?
 
This ain't that hard.

Democrats imagine how you would feel if you opened a Soul Food cookbook right now and saw a recipe from Donald Trump in it. Imagine how okay you would be with it. Imagine how little or big of a deal you feel it is.

That's how you should feel now. Or you can dig into defending the tribe and give me special pleadings why it would be different. I think I'll probably get more of the latter.
 
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