Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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I Am The Scum said:
By the way, here's the video of Trump saying the thing that he says he didn't say.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1051805214028775426

1:55, very end of the clip.

Now that we have established that Trump is thoroughly dishonest about this, can we agree that Trump has a moral obligation to fulfill his promise and donate $1 million to charity?
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There's always a tweet lawsuit.

It's best not to monkey around with Donald Trump -- or maybe that's a bad choice of words.

The billionaire real estate mogul is suing millionaire comedian Bill Maher for $5 million.

Why?

Because Maher said -- in jest, as comedians are wont to do -- that he would donate $5 million to a charity if Trump could prove he wasn't the "the spawn of his mother having sex with an orangutan."
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I bet many here would be questioning the validity of this test if the results came back saying 0% Native American ancestry.
 
From the last two pages I'm gathering that Warren took the test and released the results, and it does show the ancestry she claimed?

I stand by my position that she shouldn't have, it's not our business. But if it shuts up the people who make up insulting nicknames for other people, it'll be a good thing.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
From the last two pages I'm gathering that Warren took the test and released the results, and it does show the ancestry she claimed?

I stand by my position that she shouldn't have, it's not our business. But if it shuts up the people who make up insulting nicknames for other people, it'll be a good thing.
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It did, and it won't, as we can see from our conservative compatriots.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Most of your articles were about 23 and me and other consumer tests. Is that what she took?
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For all practical purposes, yep. Her expert was a consultant for those companies, and the IDENTICAL objections to those tests apply to this test.
 
Warren would have been better off not releasing these results and thus maintaining plausible deniability.

This just made things worse for her.
 
River said:
Interesting. Does anyone know what percent of the population would have that minuscule amount? (guessing a fairly high percentage of people on earth?)
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Perhaps you don't understand how genetic changes and therefore genetic markers work.

If Mary or John have a spontaneous mutation, it is passed on to their heirs. It's not spread around the planet.

So unless Native Americans and their heirs have done a lot of traveling and spreading their seed, the answer would be few to none.
 
applecorped said:
I bet many here would be questioning the validity of this test if the results came back saying 0% Native American ancestry.
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I would not. I know an ancestor named Vittorio Pierucci came here in the early 1900s, had two sons, one son had a son who became my father. I can trace my legal descent from him. Would a DNA test show I had much of his genes? Probably not, his Y chromosome was passed on twice along with an X chromosome from his wife and his son's wife, whose X chromosome was passed on to me along with one of my mother's. Much much more of my DNA has come from the women he and his male descendants reproduced with than from him.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
But if it shuts up the people who make up insulting nicknames for other people, it'll be a good thing.
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I admire your optimism, but it'll never happen. Birthers and Pizzagaters say that evidence against their position just proves that the conspiracy is larger than they initially claimed.

We're witnessing a similar phenomenon right here in this thread.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
I stand by my position that she shouldn't have, it's not our business.
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If it's not our business then it's not our concern. It can't be both ways.

This whole brouhaha is silly to the point of absurdity across the board but the revisionist history that Warren never made the claim in a context where it was supposed to matter and the Republicans are being big meanies for asking her to basically... back up what she said is growing tiresome.

Warren's claims of Native American Heritage are not some in passing statement. She made them as claims specifically in order to accomplish something, what I don't have the energy to care. She put them on college applications and she said them publicly while campaigning.

Yes of course the Republicans are going to run it into the ground, what do you expect them to do not be stupid about it?

Again... why did she bring it up? And yes she "brought it up." The Republicans didn't send thugs in to break into her office and get her diary and find a passage she wrote when she 12 about the dream she had after she read the Last Mohican for the first time and are making a big deal about it.

She made direct, explicit claims about specific Native American heritage in situations where she stood to gain from making the claim. She was asked to backup that claim. She did not for a long time. Yes the whole bloody goddamn thing was stupid and pointless, so what? Yes the whole thing was just political point scoring. That's all politics these days nobody gets to pearl clutch about this.

If it was a big enough deal for her to bring it up, it's a big enough deal for the Republicans to... be Republicans at it.
 
beren said:
I believe you are in error.
Has not one single Native American moved to Europe and then had a kid?
Has not one person with a Native American great-great-great something moved to Europe and had a kid?
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Yes, but the chances of that person passing specific genetic markers on is so low as to be statistically insignificant.

The answer might be .0000000000000000000000000000001% +/- of the population outside of North America.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No wonder you get so much wrong. That guy doesn't know **** about genetic testing.
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I like Wayne. I have no idea where he got those figures from because no source was linked, hence the labeling of not sure if this is reliable. All I can do on the topic is link quotes and sources, because I have no idea.

The New York Times, reported: “The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American.”

That falls within Warren’s reported range, and suggests she may be no more Native American than the average white American.
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