Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

[pgwenthold]

Yeah, Keith, I get it, but come on. Even our resident supporters don't go with "he didn't say it." They are perfectly fine with "He didn't really mean it" but that's very different from "He didn't say it."

 

[acbytesla]

I'm an uneducated rube, so it's really not my fault.

I'm glad you said it. Saves others from pointing that out.

 

[johnny karate]

Original claim:

Her test showed that she might be the whitest whitey in whitey town.

New claim:

"So Elizabeth Warren is *possibly* 1/1024 (0.09%) Native American. Scientists say the average European-American is 0.18% Native American."

The truth:

Bustamante also compared Warren’s DNA to white populations in Utah and Great Britain to determine if the amounts of Native American markers in Warren’s sample were significant or just background noise.

Warren has 12 times more Native American blood than a white person from Great Britain and 10 times more than a white person from Utah, the report found.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

I'm glad you said it. Saves others from pointing that out.

Here's Fauxcahontas talking about her Cherokee and Delaware heritage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLI3SU33tIc&feature=youtu.be

 

[Thermal]

Say... what is the margin of error on these tests anyway?

First of all you have the DNA test

Then comparing those results to cultural groups....

Hmmm, I am sure betsy's expert addressed it but I can't find it?

What did her sciectician say about the margin of error?

Certainly it is larger than 1/1024, right?

President Trump challenged her to take the DNA test, challenging her claim that she had Native American ancestry per her claim. That he tried to move the goalposts to 'prove she is an Indian', which she never claimed, is more dishonesty, but expected).

She did so, and proved there was a pure-blood Native American as little as 6 generations back, with 99% accuracy. That her mother may have had details off does not substantially refute Warren's claim.

Trump punked out on his word.

 

[johnny karate]

Here's Fauxcahontas talking about her Cherokee and Delaware heritage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLI3SU33tIc&feature=youtu.be

When were those claims disproven?

 

[The Big Dog]

President Trump challenged her to take the DNA test, challenging her claim that she had Native American ancestry per her claim. That he tried to move the goalposts to 'prove she is an Indian', which she never claimed, is more dishonesty, but expected).

She did so, and proved there was a pure-blood Native American as little as 6 generations back, with 99% accuracy. That her mother may have had details off does not substantially refute Warren's claim.

Trump punked out on his word.

That's 'weird' you did not actually address my post... hmmm.

Betsy's expert consulted for 23 and me. 23 and me says:

"The results have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percent and a confidence level of 95 percent."

Uh oh, I am pretty sure that her claim falls well within the margin of error.

We are talking Science, so CERTAINLY our hero told us what the margin of error was, right?

 

[johnny karate]

Say... what is the margin of error on these tests anyway?

First of all you have the DNA test

Then comparing those results to cultural groups....

Hmmm, I am sure betsy's expert addressed it but I can't find it?

What did her sciectician say about the margin of error?

Certainly it is larger than 1/1024, right?

What a sad and ignorant misunderstanding of how “margin of error” works.

 

[carlitos]

She should just now keep going on and on about he's a welcher, when anyone asks her anything about anything just say "I'm not a welcher like Trump". So asked about the economy - "Trump welched on his bet with me", asked about healthcare "I've never welched but Trump welched on his bet with me".

If you're going to use racial slurs, please hide them with a trigger warning or something.

 

[WilliamSeger]

For a demagogue like Trump, whether or not Warren has any native blood, there always was and still is the angle of white resentment of "special rights" for minorities. You can see from the pathetic apologia of the trumpers here that they still accept the lie that Warren took advantage of her heritage claim.

So you are saying that Harvard took advantage of her heritage claim? Hmmm.

Plus, isn't putting it in a campaign ad trying to take advantage of it?

Wait, there is a 1/1064 chance this is turning out well for Betsy.

No, I clearly said that your resentment that someone, somehow "took advantage of her (minority) heritage claims" is low hanging fruit for a lying demagogue like Trump, and you only prove the point by transferring the resentment to Harvard.

 

[johnny karate]

That's 'weird' you did not actually address my post... hmmm.

Betsy's expert consulted for 23 and me. 23 and me says:

"The results have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percent and a confidence level of 95 percent."

Uh oh, I am pretty sure that her claim falls well within the margin of error.

We are talking Science, so CERTAINLY our hero told us what the margin of error was, right?

Margin of error of what?

 

[The Big Dog]

What a sad and ignorant misunderstanding of how “margin of error” works.

would you say it works like this?

"The results have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percent and a confidence level of 95 percent."

-23 and me

Did her 'expert" say what margin he was using, or is The Big Dog the only one doing "Science" here?

 

[The Big Dog]

Genetic ancestry testing is an inexact science, task force says

Bit dated, but good for a laugh.

 

[carlitos]

What a sad and ignorant misunderstanding of how “margin of error” works.

With a percentage of 0.09% native blood, and margin of error at +/- 3.1% ... she might be negative 3.01% Native American. Or as high as 3.19%. That's how it works, right?



ETA:

I'm pretty sure that a 3.1% confidence interval around 0.09% would be:

.08721 < .09 < .09279

ETA - spoiler tags might not be working:

I'm pretty sure that a 3.1% confidence interval around 0.09% would be:

.08721 < .0900 < .09279

 

[johnny karate]

would you say it works like this?

"The results have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percent and a confidence level of 95 percent."

-23 and me

Did her 'expert" say what margin he was using, or is The big Dog the only one doing "Science" here?

Did she use the 23 and Me testing protocols?

Also, the percentage of her Native American heritage is a function of how many genes she has that can be traced to Native Americans compared to those that cannot.

How do you imagine “margin of error” would impact that percentage? Do you think these are polling results we’re talking about?

 

[The Big Dog]

With a percentage of 0.09% native blood, and margin of error at +/- 3.1% ... she might be negative 3.01% Native American. Or as high as 3.19%. That's how it works, right?

Actually it suggests that results less than 3.1% are not definitive.

It is cool, CERTAINLY our Hero Expert explained the margin of error and how it applied here, right?

Right?

Anyone?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

"Ha! What an idiot! She should just take the test! The fact that she's not taken a test just proves that she's lying!"

*Warren takes the test*

"Ha! What an idiot! She should never have taken the test!"

 

[BobTheCoward]

I've been Bob'd. Do i get a certificate or something?

This thread is about her character in regards to this matter. I don't think she passes the character test.

 

[The Big Dog]

"Ha! What an idiot! She should just take the test! The fact that she's not taken a test just proves that she's lying!"

*Warren takes the test*

"Ha! What an idiot! She should never have taken the test!"

Oddly enough, those are not contradictory.

 

[CORed]

I... don't... care. I don't understand why Elizabeth Warren thought her homeopathic level of Native Americaness was something any of us were the least bit interested in and I don't care that the Republicans think it's a hill to die defending.

There is no angle to approach this discussion from that isn't stupid.

I agree that the whole thing is stupid. However, whether it was the best tactic or not, I am finding a great deal of humor in watching the gold post moving and spin doctoring that Trump supporters doing now to spin the apparent scientific confirmation of Warren's family anecdotes as somehow proving that she actually lied, as well as doubling down on the lie that Warren somehow got an unfair benefit from a claim Native American ancestry.

It reminds me of the rapid change among birthers from, "If Obama would just provide the long form birth certificate, it would remove all doubt" to claims that something or other in the pdf from the scan of said document somehow proved it was fake. The hardcore Trump supporters and Republican base are so far beyond the reach of evidence and logic, that of course nothing can reach them, but for people who still have some capacity for rational thought, the reaction to being shown to be wrong goes a long way to illustrate just how far beyond the capability of rational thought they have gone.