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The Behavior of UK Police officers.

Worm said:
It's aimed at bigots. In really big type. It's not subtle. Or more specifically religious bigots. Christianity isn't mentioned, nor is any other religion.

I can conceivably read it as a warning to those who exhibit religious bigotry, of any kind. Whether they actually deliver on that message is a different question, but the message is clear.
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Context is everything.

If there was a similar sign in the US that read,

"DEAR PEOPLE WHO ROB LIQUOR STORES...."

To whom it would be considered directed at would be obvious.

As for this sign, it doesn't appear to be directed at Christians per se (that means 'by itself' for those who misuse that term), but it's obvious the scottish government is waving its finger at whites saying "don't touch our Muslim pets." The "religious dress" gives it away.

Worm said:
I suspect that anyone who feels this is aimed at them should probably examine their own conscience.
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I cannot tell you how pathetic I find this.
 
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Baylor said:
Context is everything.

As for this sign, it doesn't appear to be directed at Christians per se (that means 'by itself' for those who misuse that term), but it's obvious the scottish government is waving its finger at whites saying "don't touch our Muslim pets." The "religious dress" gives it away.

I cannot tell you how pathetic I find this.
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No, it isn't obvious. You are reading a message into it. Maybe you're one of those people who needs to examine your own conscience, I have no idea. Not sure why it's pathetic - c'est la vie.

Also worth noting that white vs. Muslim is an interesting way to characterize the perceived divide. Where do the white Muslims sit?
 
Worm said:
No, it isn't obvious. You are reading a message into it. Maybe you're one of those people who needs to examine your own conscience, I have no idea. Not sure why it's pathetic - c'est la vie.

Also worth noting that white vs. Muslim is an interesting way to characterize the perceived divide. Where do the white Muslims sit?
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So you'd approve of a missive in Rotherham that said

'DEAR PEOPLE WHO ATTEMPT GANG RAPE LITTLE GIRLS...."

At least they can claim they're trying to prevent a crime that actually matters.
 
My approval is neither here nor there, particularly when it comes to hypothetical posters.

Your assertion was that this poster is aimed at Christians. I am arguing that it is not aimed at any one group in particular - unless you count 'religious bigots' as a group. I'm not entirely sure why this is a big deal.
 
Worm said:
My approval is neither here nor there, particularly when it comes to hypothetical posters.

Your assertion was that this poster is aimed at Christians. I am arguing that it is not aimed at any one group in particular - unless you count 'religious bigots' as a group. I'm not entirely sure why this is a big deal.
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Just off the top of my head.... It's a government overreach. The finger waving is just cringe. There's better things the government can spend time and resources on. The term "bigot" isn't applicable in criminal law enforcement. Personal grudges can lead to accusations of "bigotry," prosecuting innocent people and wasting government resources and tax dollars. The sign is addressed to nobody since "bigots" don't identify as "bigots" any more than "potential trouble sources" identify as "potential trouble sources."

I know you people like to come across as virtuous but god damn....give it a rest.
 
Baylor said:
Has a Muslim ever been successfully prosecuted for a hate crime in Scotland?
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You know Scotland is tiny, don't you? It only has 5 million people, and Muslims are less than 1% of the population. That's less than 50,000 people. As muslims are generally peaceful and friendly, why would you expect there to be any hate crime from this tiny group?

Can you point to Scotland on a map?
 
baron said:
Apparently there is a serious problem with Christians in Scotland. I didn't know about this.
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The Protestant/Catholic divide as best exampled by football and Rangers vs Celtic, is pretty well known. Religious bigotry has and is a big issue for many.

According to Police Scotland they (and only they) are spreading hate and bigotry and victimising Muslims. Police Scotland (by association) now refer to Christians as 'Bigots' and threatens them with prosecution if they say anything disagreeable. Or, more accurately, if they criticise Islam.

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Needless to say, this example of hate speech has itself been reported as such. Fat lot of good that will do.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/dear-bigots-poster-upsets-christians-h97hxsxvn

https://theweeflea.com/2018/10/02/the-hate-police-are-now-here/
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The posters in the campaign do not say what you suggest they are saying. There is no reference to any religion. The big problem in Scotland is, as I said, Protestant vs Catholic.
 
baron said:
It's aimed at Christians only. So religious hatred can, apparently, only come from Christians. How else could you conceivably read it?
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No religion is mentioned. The main issue is Christian vs Christian.
 
baron said:
So phrases like "You may not have faith..." and "End of sermon" don't reference religiosity? And what's this about 'religious dress'? I guess this must be protecting all the Christians in Scotland who wear... religious dress? Greek Orthodox, maybe.



You'd better contact these Christian groups and tell them they simply can't read and that there's nothing to fuss about.
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The religious dress will refer to the Muslim and Sikh populations, Scotland's Asian population being its biggest ethnic minority.

The adverts are also a dig at the various Christian churches in Scotland, some of whom are notorious for preaching hate and bigotry, against other Christians..!

Those churches do not like being pointed out to them.
 
Has a Muslim who has not murdered someone ever been convicted of a hate crime?
 
Baylor said:
Has a Muslim who has not murdered someone ever been convicted of a hate crime?
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baron said:
To clarify the terminology, it appears that there is a distinction between hate crime and hate incidents. Both are dealt with by the police but a hate crime (as I posted above) is one that has been established in law to be a crime; a hate incident is not a crime but is still investigated by the police.
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Which is a very important distinction. The reporting of hate incidents is so that the police and other authorities such as Social Work, health and education can better identify and assist vulnerable people. The investigation is not a criminal one. It is where the police get information and refer the person to an authority who can best assist them.

The type of action that is taken is referring elderly immigrants to English classes, improving access for female patients to female doctors, rehousing people who have suffered abuse etc.

This is the Police Scotland standard operating procedure for "Adult Support and Protection" for "Adults at risk";

http://www.scotland.police.uk/assets/pdf/151934/184779/adult-support-and-protection-sop

Similar action has been taken regarding the disabled and children over the past decade or so.
 
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