baron
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The problems may be broadly similar but more pertinent is that they differ significantly in the challenges they present. For example, certain Jewish communities are even more insular than the Muslim ones, but because little serious crime occurs within them it's not a big deal as far as law enforcement goes.
And it has one, or more than one. The last one I contributed to was, I guess, a couple of years back. There may be more but I miss out years here and there.
Where to start? First, understand that none of this is seriously disputed. Everybody from the Home Secretary to the Human Rights and Equality chairman acknowledges the disproportionate criminality of Muslims, primarily Pakistani Muslims, in the area of rape gangs.
Police and social services from one end of the country to another covered up, and actively facilitated, the rape of young girls for 30 years. This is detailed in the extremely watered-down Alexis Jay report, but at least it was an acknowledgement.
Reading the accounts of the people, and girls, involved, some reports stick in the mind:
* Police find a 13 year old girl having sex with four Pakistani adults in a car park at 2am. They let the men go free and arrest the girl for drunk and disorderly.
* A 13/14 year old girl is repeatedly taken by Pakistani men to a house to be gang raped. The police refuse to act. The father of the girl does to the house to get his daughter back. The police turn up, arrest him, and leave the girl with the men.
* Girls as young as 11 have been raped by 30 men in a night, had petrol poured over them, were beaten and strangled unconscious, had their tongues nailed to tables, were branded with red hot irons, had their houses firebombed and their families assaulted and were even murdered. For 30 years this kind of thing went on up and down the country . People who don't know the facts say, OK, but these men are being jailed. Yes, a few now are being held to account, but for 30 years up until around 2010 they did this up and down the country with the full knowledge of the authorities and nobody did a thing. Nobody knows how many girls were abused but I would be astonished if it's not in the multiple tens of thousands. And most of this is from 2% of the population - Muslim males.
Both can be true. Well, the first one is true, the second is hyperbole, but that doesn't mean there's not truth in it. Rape gangs still operate in every town, they haven't gone away. Indeed, some of the victims, when asked if the problem has gone away say no, it's worse now than it ever was. The police were forced to act after decades of doing nothing, and worse, facilitating the rapists, but to imagine they're now on top of the situation, or even trying their best, is absurd.
I wouldn't hold your breath. There's nothing special about Rotherham. Or Telford, or Newcastle, or Oxford. This is happening everywhere that insular Muslim communities exist and the police do just enough, in cahoots with the mainstream media, to counter claims of apathy. "You're not tackling the rape gangs!" "Wrong, see we charged a dozen men last month." A dozen. You're looking at thousands upon thousands, and most will never see justice.
They isolate themselves. The level of racism, bigotry and hatred of non-Muslims arising from conservative Islam cannot be understated. Again, I make the distinction between Muslims in general and the insular Muslim communities in the UK. Because that's what this conversation always comes back to - "not all Muslims." And that's right, not all Muslims, a minority of Muslims, but a proportionally large number.
That's why I make the distinction I made above. Make no mistake, these insular Muslim ghettos are terrible places. This doesn't reflect in any way on the Muslim who might sit next to you at work, or the Muslim you go out to lunch with.
