Cont: The Trump Presidency X: 10-10 'til we do it again

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LSSBB said:
It's not either/ or. Many supporters ARE oblivious, either living in a news bubble or not even following the news.
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True. The under-educated are much beloved by Trump.

Being oblivious is a choice. I know a few people like that. They never watch the news because it makes them uncomfortable and/or they're just not very intelligent people who don't care about anything than what the Kardashians are doing or who the Bachelor is going to give a rose to.
 
Stacyhs said:
True. The under-educated are much beloved by Trump.

Being oblivious is a choice. I know a few people like that. They never watch the news because it makes them uncomfortable and/or they're just not very intelligent people who don't care about anything than what the Kardashians are doing or who the Bachelor is going to give a rose to.
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I wouldn't say under-educated. Myside bias and lack of self-awareness thereof happens at all educational levels. Changing your mind is hard work.
 
LSSBB said:
I wouldn't say under-educated. Myside bias and lack of self-awareness thereof happens at all educational levels. Changing your mind is hard work.
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Changing one's mind takes an open mind and a certain honesty. Most people, once they form an opinion, have great difficulty in changing it no matter what evidence otherwise is presented.
 
LSSBB said:
That his proponents remain silent on the subject tells me they are either oblivious or have totally ditched their principles.
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Gallup compared polling results from the 1990s to today and discovered that during the Clinton administration, 86 percent of Republicans said presidential moral leadership “very important.” The number has dropped to 63 percent in 2018.

Whoops.

As I said in another thread. In the 1990s, the Republican rallying cry was “character matters.” Today it appears to be “oh, c’mon. Character is so 20th Century.”

[full disclosure, the corresponding results for Democrats rose 6 percentage points]
 
Stacyhs said:
Changing one's mind takes an open mind and a certain honesty. Most people, once they form an opinion, have great difficulty in changing it no matter what evidence otherwise is presented.
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I have no evidence to support this claim that I heard: It is hard to admit one is wrong; but it is even harder to admit one was conned.

One of the things that scares me is that a couple of days ago, the White House altered a word in official transcript of the president’s press conference to remove an insult to a reporter. It appears they are going to get away with it despite every video recording showing that he actually said “you’re not thinking” to a reporter. I’m worried that he’ll be able to say things like “ the liberal press altered the video to make me look bad even though the official transcript shows I did not insult her.” A lot of folks have drunk enough Kool-Aid to believe the president as he accuses every news agency on the face of the Earth of conspiring against him..
 
Stacyhs said:
I have always believed that Trump will go down for some kind of financial crimes; tax evasion, money laundering or the like. There is a reason he refused to release his tax returns. If he had nothing to hide, he'd have done so.
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That seems reasonable, given his long history of tax evasion, money laundering, stiffing contractors, and so forth. Sexual assault or abuse of minors isn't taken all that seriously, but messing up the wrong person's money can easily get you killed.

It was definitely my assumption, in any case.
 
Ladewig said:
I have no evidence to support this claim that I heard: It is hard to admit one is wrong; but it is even harder to admit one was conned.

One of the things that scares me is that a couple of days ago, the White House altered a word in official transcript of the president’s press conference to remove an insult to a reporter. It appears they are going to get away with it despite every video recording showing that he actually said “you’re not thinking” to a reporter. I’m worried that he’ll be able to say things like “ the liberal press altered the video to make me look bad even though the official transcript shows I did not insult her.” A lot of folks have drunk enough Kool-Aid to believe the president as he accuses every news agency on the face of the Earth of conspiring against him..
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Amazingly, they corrected the transcript. They probably thought people wouldn't notice and had to do quick damage control. Of course, that would require the presence of someone capable of feeling shame.

The White House on Tuesday officially corrected the record on an insulting remark President Donald Trump uttered a day earlier in the Rose Garden.
An official transcript distributed on Monday evening showed the President telling a female senior correspondent she wasn't "thanking" when he called on her, an odd construction that bore little resemblance to what the President is heard on video saying.
In fact, the President told reporter Cecilia Vega she wasn't "thinking" -- words reflected in a corrected transcript the White House distributed on Tuesday morning.
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Belz... said:


The man has no conscience or conception of honesty. And as I speculated before, apparently no fortune of his own.
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You can be sure that the Times' legal beagles went over that piece letter by letter so that when they write "instances of outright fraud" you can take that claim to the bank.

Is there a time limit for prosecution of such financial crimes? Can the President be taken to court for crimes he committed before becoming President while he holds that position?
 
Stacyhs said:
I have always believed that Trump will go down for some kind of financial crimes; tax evasion, money laundering or the like. There is a reason he refused to release his tax returns. If he had nothing to hide, he'd have done so.
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Me too (so to speak). All other crimes might be hard to convince a jury but with financial crimes there's paperwork and numbers. Hard evidence that won't go away or can be bought off.
 
It is complicated. How about the Obama voters who voted for Trump in 2016?

Ms. Baker does vote. She picked Barack Obama for president in 2008 and 2012. He seemed sincere and looked like a happy family man...In 2016, though, she voted for Donald J. Trump. Yes, he was rich and seemed mean on his TV show, “The Apprentice.” But she liked how he talked about jobs and wages and people being left out of the economy...John Sides, a political-science professor at George Washington University, has estimated that 9 percent of voters who cast ballots for Mr. Obama ended up voting for Mr. Trump. Among white voters who had never been to college, it was 22 percent. news story link
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How do you explain someone voting for Barack Obama and then voting for Donald Trump? In numbers high enough, that if they had voted for Clinton, she would have won easily? I think there are a lot of answers, it's not one reason.
 
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