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The Behavior of UK Police officers.

That's a lot of words making no logical sense leading to a massive non sequitur.

When the "founding principles" were laid out the UK was homogeneous. The UK is no longer homogeneous so those principles are no longer applicable. That's why most Britons think the police have lost control of their streets.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6787333/half-of-brits-say-police-lost-control/

According to the exclusive survey, 57 per cent of people say officers have surrendered control of our neighbourhoods and criminals have no fear of being caught......The majority of Brits, 76 per cent, also answered that they wanted more bobbies on the beat to feel safer.

The current year meme went over the empty heads here but I'll use it again--it's the current year.
 
. Then you posted a chart showing that Asians (the vast majority of British Muslims being in that category) are more likely to vote Tory and less likely to vote Labour than average for ethnic minorities as a whole.
Because other minorities vote Labour doesn't contradict my point. Brown people vote Labour. Give it up dude.
 
No but seriously, after reading just a few pages of the US version of this thread, it's clear people here don't really "get it." Zooterkin was asking why there's no "founding principles" of police work in the US. Aside from that's not how politics works in the US, there is no "founding principles" because different principles are needed in different communities. This is something the UK is getting a crash course in. If you apply the same "principles" that work in a white community where a human-rightsy approach is the best approach to a Muslim community, well, a lot of little girls are going to get raped.


I can't see the answer to my question in there. Can you highlight it?
 
When the "founding principles" were laid out the UK was homogeneous. The UK is no longer homogeneous so those principles are no longer applicable. That's why most Britons think the police have lost control of their streets...
Might be interesting to know when you think these "founding principles" were laid out. It's not a term that seems like it has an obvious meaning to the case of the UK.

The article says the people surveyed think the police have lost control of the streets to criminals. They want more beat cops to deal with criminals instead of getting sidetracked by stuff like terrorism.

Is there something about "criminals" which immediately brings loss of homogeneity to your mind? Or something about loss of homogeneity with immediately brings criminality to your mind?
 
The article says the people surveyed think the police have lost control of the streets to criminals. They want more beat cops to deal with criminals instead of getting sidetracked by stuff like terrorism.

Sidetracked by terrorism. LOL!
 
An elucidation and exposé on the sorry state of the UK.

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/Zel9ENt.png[/qimg]

I don't understand how this image elucidates or exposes any kind of sorry state in the UK.

In fact most of your images and posts seem to be meaningless non sequiturs.
 
Nothing there about 'brown people', it's to do with austerity cuts, mainly.

Plus despite the PMs speech today indicating an end to Austerity, there will be ongoing cuts to police budgets for the next two years.
 
Plus despite the PMs speech today indicating an end to Austerity, there will be ongoing cuts to police budgets for the next two years.


I think the first cut should always be the policing in and around Downing Street and around the Houses of Parliament. Reduce the policing around there by about 75%. If that works, roll it out to the country.
 
When the "founding principles" were laid out the UK was homogeneous. The UK is no longer homogeneous so those principles are no longer applicable. That's why most Britons think the police have lost control of their streets.

What are the founding principles of UK policing to which you refer? The UK doesn't even have a single set of laws let alone a single way of policing.
 
I think it's great that UK police forces have eradicated all serious crime and thus have the resources to sit on their arses all day, scrolling through Facebook and Twitter in search of 'offensive' posts and naughty words.

If a potentialcrime is reported or brought to their attention they will investigate.
What is the problem with that?

Is the implication that if there are unsolved 'major' crimes then any you deem to be 'minor' should be ignored?
 
I think the first cut should always be the policing in and around Downing Street and around the Houses of Parliament. Reduce the policing around there by about 75%. If that works, roll it out to the country.

And yet yesterday's coroner's report says the opposite.

What the police could do, of course, is actually go outside and do their jobs instead of sitting in offices browsing Facebook and Twitter in order to meet their 'hate speech' targets.
 
I think the first cut should always be the policing in and around Downing Street and around the Houses of Parliament. Reduce the policing around there by about 75%. If that works, roll it out to the country.

Wouldn't that be awesome if policies were required to impact predominantly upon those who support them?

Policing cuts around Downing Street and political party conferences.

Brexit austerity cuts to be made first to pensions and farmers

Human rights to be removed from gammon

Police brutality and shootings to be visited upon white racist idiots
 
If a potentialcrime is reported or brought to their attention they will investigate.
What is the problem with that?

Your premise is wrong. It's actually wrong twice over. First, police don't investigate every crime that's reported to them. Some forces have gone on record saying that unless it's an open and shut case (i.e. if the victim can provide court-standard evidence of who is the perpetrator, and sometimes not even then), crimes such as assault, car crime, burglary, shoplifting and criminal damage will not be investigated.

It clearly follows, and is true in its own right, that the police are not mandated to investigate something merely because it's been reported.

Although to be fair, the absurdity of so-called hate crime legislation challenges this logic. Under law, a hate crime is something that happens which anybody believes to be... a hate crime. It's lunacy.

Is the implication that if there are unsolved 'major' crimes then any you deem to be 'minor' should be ignored?

The implication is that the police should prioritise in a fair and reasonable way. When someone is assaulted or burgled and the police force can't send anybody round because half the force is sat on their arses looking for naughty words on Twitter then I see that as a problem, and so does the vast majority of the British public.
 
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When the "founding principles" were laid out the UK was homogeneous.
When was that, and what were the "founding principles" you are claiming?

The UK is no longer homogeneous so those principles are no longer applicable.
The UK is still 85% White.

That's why most Britons think the police have lost control of their streets.
According to the exclusive survey, 57 per cent of people say officers have surrendered control of our neighbourhoods and criminals have no fear of being caught......The majority of Brits, 76 per cent, also answered that they wanted more bobbies on the beat to feel safer.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6787333/half-of-brits-say-police-lost-control/

The current year meme went over the empty heads here but I'll use it again--it's the current year.
Even though it's in The Scum, it doesn't make the connection between crime and race that you are. This is unsurprising, given that outside of large cities the ethnic minority population is significantly lower than the national average, and most crime is committed by White people.

But lets highlight a few deficiencies in the reporting, anyway....

This is the actual survey.

"The survey also foujnd [sic] that 60 per cent of people hadn’t seen a police officer in their street in the past year."

Actual question:

"Q3. Have you seen a police officer on the beat in your street over the past year?"

Meaningless unless those 60% were awake and looking out their windows 24/7. The fact that 40% did see police on their street at some time is actually quite impressive, when you consider how many people live in back-streets, cul-de-sacs, or quiet housing estates. Police patrol where crime and trouble happens, not where it generally doesn't. If police patrolled every single residential street, even once a month, they wouldn't have time for anything else. That said, a pair of mounted police officers clip-clopped down our street earlier in the week, much to Miss Analyst Junior's delight.

"Of the 2,000 adults surveyed half claimed that when they had been a victim of crime the police did not attend their homes."

This is a supplementary to this question:

"Q6. In the past two years have you personally, or a member of your household, been a victim of a crime which was reported to the police?"

Then:

"Q7. Did a police officer attend your address when you reported this crime?"

The base for Q7 was those who had answered "yes" to Q6, which was 293 out of 2001, and of those 293, 148 did not receive a police visit. In other words, of the 2001, only 15% were themselves or another household member were a victim of crime, meaning that only 7.4% of the 2001 were not visited by the police. This means that The Scum's wording is a gross distortion on more than one count.

Even so, it's all a bit meaningless, given that not all crime types merit a police visit to the home. I've been a victim of crime twice in the last ten years, but the police had no reason to visit my home, because one was pick-pocketing and the other bag theft, neither anywhere near my home (both were reported).

"A further 30 per cent were told that they should gather evidence themselves, such as CCTV footage of the incident."

Another distortion, given the actual question:

"Q8. Were you asked to gather or submit any evidence (such as CCTV footage)?"

Not just "gather" but "gather or submit." That's a significant difference. If a person's house is burgled, and they have CCTV, who else would provide the police with it? In the case of my bag-theft, my phone was in it, and the thieves used it to telephone a friend, so the police asked me to e-mail them the call data from my provider's website. How else were the police supposed to get that if I didn't do it for them? Also, it was 30% of those who had said they or a household member was a victim of crime, not the ones who did not get a police visit.

"The majority of Brits, 76 per cent, also answered that they wanted more bobbies on the beat to feel safer."

Actual question:

"Q12. To what extent, if at all, would you agree or disagree with these statements?
I would like to see more police on foot patrol in my neighbourhood"

This runs into the same issue as Q3 and is purely subjective.

Of course it is also worth bearing in mind another survey from the same organisation published a week later on behalf of news broadcasters ITN.

"Q.3 Police figures show that violent crime is increasing in the UK. Which of the following, if any, would you say are the main causes of this increase?" [three choices per respondent]

62% - Poor parenting
59% - Police cuts
34% - Certain media content, such as videos and graphics, distributed via social media
26% - Cuts to youth services
5% - Certain types of music
3% - None of the above
5% - Don't know

"Q.4 Which of the following, if any, do you think would help most to reduce violent crime?"

33% - More police on the streets
23% - National service, i.e. introducing a period of military service for young men and women
21% - Tougher jail sentences
11% - More funding for youth services
4% - Tougher rules on social media
1% - Banning certain types of music
2% - None of the above
4% - Don't know

I'm sure you'll have fun with those.
 

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