New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

MikeG said:
No sane system would operate like this. Politically appointed judges: what sort of crazy idea is that?
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How do they do it elsewhere? Aren't judges in most of the European and descendants world politically appointed? We have elected judges at many state and most local levels. which is even nuttier.
 
phiwum said:
Meadmaker, who is a decent bloke more or less, has indeed made the first claim. I'll give you that.
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In addition to being an idiot and functionally insane, apparently I also am not very good at explanations, because, no, I didn't.
 
Dr. Keith said:
If this impacts the midterms, the GOP Senators may be wishing they had handled this better.
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Or, they might be jumping for joy that they handled it just right.

After 2016, I'm giving up on my ability to read the electorate, although to be fair to myself, over the weekend before the election, and especially on the morning of the election, I had this sinking feeling that Clinton had managed to throw it away, so when it became clear that Trump would be president, it wasn't a total bolt from the blue the way it must have been for so many other people.

The elections of 2016 should have been a sign to an awful lot of people that they don't understand the average American voter.

I am not certain, because voters confuse me, but I think this is playing very well for the Republicans. Hugh Hewitt (a right wing talk show host, more sane than Hannity/Limbaugh/etc) has been using the term "blue bubble" a lot lately. It basically refers to a bunch of Democrats talking to each other, not paying attention to real people, basically a left wing echo chamber. Democrats might be just as surprised as they were in 2016, or as Republicans were in 1998.
 
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LondonJohn said:
Actually, I don't think that Kavanaugh could have "got away" with a statement to that effect. Why not? Because to have admitted to drinking to a blackout/non-remembering state when at high school would effectively mean that it would be impossible for him to refute Dr Ford's claim (and would additionally lend further credence to her claim).
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That was my point: by doing so; by saying that he can't know for sure and by owning to his past excesses he ends up looking better than with the 45 minute tirade he went on last week; especially if you add the suggested support for victims of sexual assault that another postr mentioned.

I very strongly suspect that Kavanaugh and his (no doubt numerous and highly-paid) legal and PR advisers would have considered every possible way to proceed, including taking this sort of line. But in the end, if his overriding concern was to save his own skin and get onto the SC with his reputation relatively intact, then there was no way in practice in which he could admit to drinking to such excess at that point in his life.
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Yes, but in the end it made him look terrible.
 
Belz... said:
Ok, ok but... how many points should you get for taking that position?
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Well you see since I'm not a member of one of the tribes, my points go back into the pot and are awarded in the event of sudden death overtime.
 
Meadmaker said:
After 2016, I'm giving up on my ability to read the electorate, although to be fair to myself, over the weekend before the election, and especially on the morning of the election, I had this sinking feeling that Clinton had managed to throw it away, so when it became clear that Trump would be president, it wasn't a total bolt from the blue the way it must have been for so many other people.

The elections of 2016 should have been a sign to an awful lot of people that they don't understand the average American voter.
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I knew Clinton's chances were sharply diminished when the FBI made their announcement in late October.

Do you mean the elections of 2016 where majority votes were not for Republicans but Republicans got in anyway? Those people who don't understand the voter?
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
I knew Clinton's chances were sharply diminished when the FBI made their announcement in late October.

Do you mean the elections of 2016 where majority votes were not for Republicans but Republicans got in anyway? Those people who don't understand the voter?
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Yes. That election. Over in a "guess the electoral college" thread, there were almost zero Trump guesses. My own guess was Clinton with somewhere around 290 or 300. Or was it more? I don't like to think about it. I was sure that it wouldn't be a squeaker. She would win handily.
 
The Big Dog said:
Did anyone witness my client committing a crime?"
Chad; "I did!"
"Well what did he do?"
Chad; "he refused to defuse a situation and my friend ended up getting arrested!"
"brett got arrested?"
Chad: "No, someone else!"
"thanks "Chad""
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You keep saying that hilighted part but the actual story is that he *escalated* the situation, threw a beer in someone's face, and started the fight.
 
sylvan8798 said:
I think when he asked Sheldon Whitehouse what HE drank, and then pressed Amy Klobuchar on whether SHE had ever blacked out from drinking that those couldn't have been part of a thought-out strategy. They were jaw-droppingly inappropriate and hopefully not something he would have ever allowed in his own courtroom. Imagine a defendant on the stand suddenly asking the prosecutor "have YOU ever had too much to drink?" It would be irrelevant and inappropriate, someone would object, and the judge would sustain it.
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It's all about the partisan fight. Few people are discussing how incompetent he came across as.
 
phunk said:
You keep saying that hilighted part but the actual story is that he *escalated* the situation, threw a beer in someone's face, and started the fight.
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Literally quoting Chad.

“On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation.”

Chad wanted him to defuse the situation.

What a Yale douche
 
One problem I have with other people (classmates, friends) trying to parse whether he was ever blackout drunk is that others would not know this unless he had indicated to them afterwards that he could not remember the night before. They would not know by observation at the time.
 
The Big Dog said:
Literally quoting Chad.

“On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation.”

Chad wanted him to defuse the situation.

What a Yale douche
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It's weird that you put a period after the word situation, when this is the ACTUAL quote:

On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation, but by throwing his beer in the man’s face and starting a fight that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail.
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Police questioned Kavanaugh after bar fight in 1985

In the New Haven, Connecticut, police department report, a man named Dom Cozzolino said Kavanaugh had thrown ice on him and Kavanaugh's friend Chris Dudley had thrown a glass that hit him in the ear.

"The argument between the two started when Mr. Cozzolino stated that Brett Kavanaugh threw ice at him for some unknown reason and he then got hit in the ear with a glass," the report says.

Dudley denied the allegations, according to the report, "and Mr. Kavanaugh didn't (want) to say if he threw the ice or not. "
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phunk said:
It's weird that you put a period after the word situation, when this is the ACTUAL quote:
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Yeah, I did not want to embarrass you because I accurately quoted the actual statement while the word “escalated” did not appear, despite the fact you put it in quotes.

Bold post tho.
 
The Big Dog said:
Yeah, I did not want to embarrass you because I accurately quoted the actual statement while the word “escalated” did not appear, despite the fact you put it in quotes.

Bold post tho.
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I put it in quotes? When was that?

No, you didn't accurately quote the statement. You cut it in half and left out the entire point of what he said.
 
The Big Dog said:
Yeah, I did not want to embarrass you because I accurately quoted the actual statement while the word “escalated” did not appear, despite the fact you put it in quotes.

Bold post tho.
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LOL. Do you not know what "escalation" means?

Here's a hint: Throwing a beer in someone's face qualifies as an "escalation".

So now you know.
 
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