New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

[kookbreaker]

Way back when th Terry Schiavo case was being considered by SCOTUS, I was at dinner with several friends. Most of them were far more liberal than me and were lamenting what would come when the Scalia court got its mitts on the case. The mood was grim.

But one of our numbers was a Republican. He simply stated calmly “don’t worry, these people are judges first, Republicans a distant second, they won’t rule against what the law says just because the White House and Congress GOP are in a frenzy”.

He was right. The Schiavo Case was rejected. The Scalia court looked at it and flatly said “No.”

Yesterday, I reminded my wise Republican friend about that conversation and asked if he felt that Kavanaugh would remember that he was a judge first and a Republican second.

His answer was “after his crying, whiny partisan speech yesterday? No.”

 

[Matthew Best]

Also, both will likely need security for a while. Because? IMHO because democrats chose to make this a spectacle.

Dr Ford will need security, but it's the Democrats' fault?

That sounds, er, counter-intuitive.

 

[MikeG]

Yup. This is the left's "Pizzagate."

Digging through high school yearbooks and college records looking for secret code words for sexual assault, rape etc.

No, no. Just listening to someone say on oath what happened to them, and who the perpetrator was. Surely you haven't forgotten that already?

 

[Bob001]

I believe PJ and Leland.

Interesting that our correspondents are claiming that people are trying to push it through, when Trump yesterday asked the FBI to get involved.

Trump didn't have much of a choice at this point. He refused as long as he could.

 

[Belz...]

I guess the secret to holding hearings for the snowflake crowd is to come up and have two protesters scream at you.

Translation: "who cares if he sexually assaulted people? Liberals screamed at him, that's the real outrage!"

 

[River]

Based on what? In a he said/she said, why do you find him more credible? We have some alleged corroborating evidence in the form of sexual assaults claimed by two other women, other peers acknowledging that he did a bit of binge drinking back in the day, yearbook memberships and entries suggesting disturbing misogynistic attitudes, e.g., "t & c" at Yale.

Is there a similar weight of evidence suggesting that each of his three accusers are the type of people who would fabricate harrowing stories of sexual assault to ruin the careers of people they don't like? Any academy awards won by these women? Any George Soros DNA on the piles of money they've packed into their suitcases?


Pro tip: If you've got another thread in which you're claiming to be a purist regarding how feminism should or should not be advanced, it's a good idea to recognize the achievements of women and be sure to use any honorifics they might have earned. Thousands of women in STEM – including Dr. Ford – will appreciate this little gesture on your part that is so often denied them relative to their male counterparts.

My bold. Based on witnesses that testified or gave statements. One of them being a "friend" of Fords that she alleged to be there.

You are correct I was mistaken with the label of Mrs.

I don't think he should be confirmed, but not because of the baseless allegations. Instead based on he gave testimony that seemed false.

 

[Bob001]

Some observers note that Ford has taken and passed a polygraph and Kav has refused to take one, even though it is a standard tool for federal law enforcement which he has supported in the past.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...d-different-tune-on-lie-detectors-in-the-past

 

[Belz...]

The main difference being Pizzagate occurred on twitter and infowars, this is occurring on Capitol Hill and throughout the MSM.

I must've missed the testimonies for pizzagate...

 

[Belz...]

I think incidents like this are when we find out who the actual skeptics and critical thinkers are. And it's not looking good.

Skeptics look at the evidence and try to investigate claims. Now, which 'side' is doing this?

 

[River]

Dr Ford will need security, but it's the Democrats' fault?

That sounds, er, counter-intuitive.

Absolutely. This spectacle didn't need to happen, unless of course the point was to drag people through the mud publicly. There were offers made to interview Ford privately, even at her location. This was a public spectacle, purely because it served democrats agenda. Not to protect possible vitcims, or against salacious allegations with no evidence. This happened how it did, with pure intent.

 

[uke2se]

Some observers note that Ford has taken and passed a polygraph and Kav has refused to take one, even though it is a standard tool for federal law enforcement which he has supported in the past.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...d-different-tune-on-lie-detectors-in-the-past

I don't think it means anything. All pretenses have been dropped by now. It's utterly clear that for most Goopers and all Trumpists, whether or not Kav sexually assaulted Ford is unimportant. He may have raped her and hundreds of other women, and they would still want him pushed through to SCOTUS.

We already know that Kav lied numerous times during his testimony. We also know that he demonstrated that he would be a partisan hack in office, completely incapable and unwilling to function as a neutral arbiter of the law. By every rational standard, Kav is unfit for SCOTUS. Despite this, this is what the Trumpists where promised. The partisan majority in SCOTUS is worth anything and everything. It would cement a victory in the culture wars for a generation to come, and winning is more important than anything else.

 

[Aridas]

Interesting that our correspondents are claiming that people are trying to push it through, when Trump yesterday asked the FBI to get involved.

Interesting that you would try to use a case where Trump's hand was forced and a very, very short timeline for an investigation was set as an attempt to counter the point that the Republicans are trying to push it through.

 

[Matthew Best]

This was a public spectacle, purely because it served democrats agenda. Not to protect possible vitcims, or against salacious allegations with no evidence. This happened how it did, with pure intent.

I'm not American, and don't manage to follow these things as closely as those who are in the country seem to be able to do, but I was under the impression that the Republicans were in charge. How did the Democrats manage to force them to have a public spectacle if they didn't want to?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

This was a public spectacle, purely because it served democrats agenda. Not to protect possible vitcims, or against salacious allegations with no evidence. This happened how it did, with pure intent.

if it stops Kavanaugh, it will protect women in the future.

 

[acbytesla]

Absolutely. This spectacle didn't need to happen, unless of course the point was to drag people through the mud publicly. There were offers made to interview Ford privately, even at her location. This was a public spectacle, purely because it served democrats agenda. Not to protect possible vitcims, or against salacious allegations with no evidence. This happened how it did, with pure intent.

Wrong. If the President and the Republican Senate had vetted Kavanaugh properly, these issues would have been uncovered earlier and we would have moved on to another candidate. No need for security. You're blaming the Democrats for doing their jobs. You don't like that Kavanaugh is being shown to be a d-bag.

 

[Darat]

Yes.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...h-georgetown-prep-parties-20180920-story.html

So good to see how Trump has smashed away all the elites.

 

[River]

Wrong. If the President and the Republican Senate had vetted Kavanaugh properly, these issues would have been uncovered earlier and we would have moved on to another candidate. No need for security. You're blaming the Democrats for doing their jobs. You don't like that Kavanaugh is being shown to be a d-bag.

Disagree. I have nothing invested in Kavanaugh. Don't care if he's shown to be a D bag.

 

[johnny karate]

The main difference being Pizzagate occurred on twitter and infowars, this is occurring on Capitol Hill and throughout the MSM.

Members of Trump’s transition team - including the guy he tapped for National Security Adviser - pushed Pizzagate.

Trump is a fan of the founder of Infowars and his White House has legitimized them as a media outlet.

But please, continue with your nonsensical rant about how liberals are the real conspiracy theorists.

 

[Giordano]

Disagree. I have nothing invested in Kavanaugh. Don't care if he's shown to be a D bag.

Maybe that is the problem?

 

[snoop_doxie]

Members of Trump’s transition team - including the guy he tapped for National Security Adviser - pushed Pizzagate.

Trump is a fan of the founder of Infowars and his White House has legitimized them as a media outlet.

But please, continue with your nonsensical rant about how liberals are the real conspiracy theorists.

Do you wonder if these conspiracy theory pushers really believe these
stories?

Lindsey Graham seems to think that the majority is somehow being overrun
and he will be back to get vengeance.

Kavanaugh thinks his family is being hurt by the Democrats and the Clintons
not his behavior.

Their emotional outbursts would be disqualifying if the shoe were on the
other foot.

LOL, I wonder if my conspiracy theory is Republicans don't believe their
own conspiracies, but use them because they think it will work with the base.