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autumn1971 said:
To be clear, I am no advocate for religious belief, but I do think that the “No religious test for any office” part of the Constitution is quite important.

If religion compromises ability to do the job, fine, but not belief alone.
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This is what I'm talking about.

The phrase "he found Jesus" has specific connotations, relating to the convictions of fundamentalist conservative religious practice and beliefs. Core among them is that "God's Law" takes precedence over secular law.

Due to the nearly congenital hypocrisy practiced by these right-wing conservative believers it is almost standard practice for them to claim that they will always make decisions in accordance with the laws of men when asked about their willingness to execute a secular position in good faith, but they don't mean it.

I think that by definition such belief compromises their ability to do the job.
 
Stacyhs said:
He will be confirmed. This is nothing but a dog and pony show. The Republicans have made it clear that it didn't matter what happened today, they are going to confirm.

After watching this today, I dislike K on a personal basis which I did not before. He comes across as an arrogant, dismissive, slippery liar.
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You're almost certainly right (ugh, gotta love blindly-partisan politics from either side). But what if this thing gains traction beyond the senate process and his swearing in? What if the local police get involved and launch their own investigation? (I'd love to know what if any pressure Kavanaugh and his friends and lawyers might have put on those local police up to now....). What if they want to interview Kavanaugh under caution? What if the local DA convenes a Grand Jury? All of which would be with a sitting SC Justice as the accused and the potential defendant!
 
PartSkeptic said:
Another point.

Flight or fight reaction. She was stopped from fleeing. What did she do to fight back? Scratch his face? What was she doing with her hands?
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I was assaulted 3 different times (never raped) when I was a teen and in my twenties. All three were very different circumstances.

One of the times a guy (who was very drunk) held me down and wouldn't let me leave. I wouldn't try to injure a guy that has you completely overpowered. You might end up getting punched very hard in the face. Even if she tried to scream, it's still perfectly reasonable she didn't at first respond with scratching and biting. I imagine once the clothes ripped you might.



Graham is getting more sound-bite coverage on NPR right now.
 
I notice that almost every Republican begins their questioning either ranting about or apologizing for what 'poor' K is going through and what a smear campaign it is. They came into this with closed minds and any claim that they didn't is a lie. Does anyone believe Trump for a second when he said yesterday that he could change his mind about this after hearing Ford?
 
Belz... said:
That's pretty low. Now you have to respond not only timely but adequately to being victimised.

No wonder many victims don't speak out.
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I have yet to hear a single #me too question why a woman wouldn't tell anyone and wouldn't always fight back especially early on in the assault.


But I have heard a number of men claim that not fighting back is evidence the girl is lying.
 
I also agree he will almost certainly be confirmed. It would be a surprise to me if not.


Also wow, I'm not a Lindsey Graham fan but I think out of that entire hearing -- he spoke how I felt about this more than any other Senator. I concur with his words.
 
surrogate said:
My grandfather died in a commercial airliner crash when I was 7 years old. About a year later, my family moved out of the city to suburban NJ where two of the people who lived on the same block were professional pilots (small craft I believe). Both ended up dying in separate crashes several years apart. Yet, in 2000, I was able to overcome my fear and fly to Las Vegas and back for a friend's wedding.
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And this is significant, why? :boggled:
 
I'd love a conservative judge on SCOTUS but at some point, you have to just say: There are too many questions here in order to confirm this guy. All these people who are telling us that this is what it was (is?) like in the prep school world can't all be lying. The chances of this just being a well-coordinated smear campaign are, to my mind, pretty low. These women coming forward publicly have a lot to lose if they are lying.

The one glaring thing that gets me on a first look at today's testimony is his explanation for the "Renate Alumni" thing. Any reasonable person can conclude, based on what others have said about that tag and the poem that was written about her, that it was a sexual reference so his denial here rings especially hollow. Why lie about that at this point?

It's obvious to me that the world Kavanaugh and his peers grew up in is completely different from any world I can understand. Let's take the statement from Julie Swetnick at face value. She willingly and regularly attended parties where girls were being aggressively sexualized and gang raped; she was even a victim herself. Yet she still went to these parties, even after her own rape. This makes absolutely no sense. It can only be explained by coming of age in an extremely toxic culture where rape and sexual harassment was the norm.

Assuming that Swetnick's statement, Ford's testimony and all the other people who corroborate them are telling the truth, what kind of ****** up culture exists in these Prep School circles? We had all those female alumni of Ford's school from the 40's until recent times saying that this is what it's like.

Now take a further step back and consider how many of our current politicians and other "elites" went to prep schools like this. Either these people are exaggerating things OR there is an extremely toxic culture that is molding the minds and attitudes of the people who grow up to effectively run our country. That possibility (probability?) is scary.
 
River said:
We can add to the information that makes it "bizarre" Like: 5 witnesses alleged by her to be there have all denied it. Also, two other men claim they may have been who she was speaking of in her statement. Add that to flying claims vs actions. Yeah, I'd say this entire thing is pretty bizarre.
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Here we go again and you have done this before. Of course that's you and all the Republican talking heads so maybe you should be careful who you parrot.

There is a difference between saying you don't remember something and saying it did not happen. Please stop lying that witnesses said it didn't happen.


And I'm pretty sure that "two other guys said it could have been them" turned out to be a total fabrication by that PR guy. I'll go find the link.

Yep, Ed Whelan: Hot Air - Ed Whelan: I Didn’t Communicate With Kavanaugh Or The White House About My “Mistaken Identity” Theory; Update: PR Firm Helped
 
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Tsukasa Buddha said:
I couldn't watch Ford's testimony. With Kavanaugh, he is coming across as needlessly slippery and ranty. He can't give a calm, straight answer to save his soul.

Though that often happens with hearings, it seems.
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Apparently Trump was less than thrilled about his Fox News interview and managed to coax him into defending himself in a way that would be more pleasing to Trump himself. Hence why he took a more combative approach and spending far more effort on attacking his accusers.
 
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xjx388 said:
Assuming that Swetnick's statement, Ford's testimony and all the other people who corroborate them are telling the truth, what kind of ****** up culture exists in these Prep School circles? We had all those female alumni of Ford's school from the 40's until recent times saying that this is what it's like.

Now take a further step back and consider how many of our current politicians and other "elites" went to prep schools like this. Either these people are exaggerating things OR there is an extremely toxic culture that is molding the minds and attitudes of the people who grow up to effectively run our country. That possibility (probability?) is scary.
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Why do you think the idea that "everyone should be scared" has been repeated over and over again with regard to these kinds of accusations? I don't think the people mouthing those words (or variations thereof) truly disbelieve the accusations and think that there's a conspiracy. What I think is that they (or their close friend) did truly vile **** while they were bopping around the prep school/Ivy League party circuit.

The best way to poison the well for potential future credible accusations of misconduct is to get people to believe that the current accusations are born of personal or political animus rather than hard truth.
 
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