Moderated Is the Telekinesis Real?

Your condescending attitude does not help your position. I do not require your help or your straw man. As a matter of fact, the irrelevant fact upon which you pontificate below has absolutely nothing to do with how Jeffers derived his dependent variables in either of his experiments, or how PEAR derived their dependent variables in their own experiments.

As I mentioned before, your frantic Googling for concepts you may think portray you as knowledgeable is not fooling anyone. Your fate on that point was sealed the moment you tried to directly compare a picture of an interference pattern to a picture of a normal distribution. You said you had no problem admitting your shortcomings and that you aren't emotionally bothered by criticism. Yet your behavior on this point is obviously entirely to the contrary.

You categorize people as engineers or economists and say, on that basis, that they can't possibly have the required statistics education to keep up with you. But your star witness Jahn was an engineer, and you stand by his statistical expertise. You claim to be an engineer, and you stand by your own expertise. But Palmer is a "mere" experimental psychologist, so he can't possibly know any statistics. That would take a mathematician, you said. And then later you said you weren't a mathematician.

Why not summarize it in "his magical thinking"? After all, it's just that. 378 varieties of noodles, and it's all still just plain flour and water, and sometimes some busted eggs.

Let's remember: A demiurge. Evolution is not. Jesus guaranteed to be who he "claimed" but not "god". Buddha is the man. Reincarnation is (And Magical Thinker is the reincarnation of very important people, don't you know?). Imparting Statistics. Engineer, Mathematician and English degrees in various universities. Successful consultant. Drinks expensive French cognac. Has exquisite sense of humour. You're all wrong.

If that's not the list of a hobbling personality, I don't know what it would be.
 
Summary of the day:

User """"Buddha"""" posted 8 zero-content messages avoiding the topic. Everything falls within the category of bickering, except an attempt to show some google-gotten pseudo-prowess at some unrelated topic in the field of statistics.

He chose this way because he was shown to be completely lost at declaring what are the different variables in Jahn' and Jeffers' papers, what is a fundamental step for understanding that papers, and most of all, it's a must before even attempting any criticism or support of said papers, as he faultily did already.
 
Just like Jay, you do not have sense of humor. "I care about his feelings" is a sarcastic remark. I really do not care about his feelings, but the joke was lost on you.

So comedy is another area where "Buddha" has delusions of inadequacy.
 
8 zero-content messages avoiding the topic.

My favorite part was where he said he couldn't understand my posts, and therefore no one else probably could either. Jabba tried the same nonsense.

...some google-gotten pseudo-prowess at some unrelated topic in the field of statistics.

The desperation is palpable. "Is this it? This must be it. If this isn't it, then it must not exist." No, that's not it.
 
Mojo said:
Wasn’t this one of the areas of expertise (or lack of it) studied in the original Kruger and Dunning paper?


Yes.



Kruger and Dunning: Unskilled and Unaware of it said:
Incompetence and the Failure of Feedback


One puzzling aspect of our results is how the incompetent fail,
through life experience, to learn that they are unskilled. This is not
a new puzzle. Sullivan, in 1953, marveled at "the failure of
learning which has left their capacity for fantastic, self-centered delusions so utterly unaffected by a life-long history of educative
events" (p. 80).
With that observation in mind, it is striking that our
student participants overestimated their standing on academically
oriented tests as familiar to them as grammar and logical reason-
ing. Although our analysis suggests that incompetent individuals
are unable to spot their poor performances themselves, one would
have thought negative feedback would have been inevitable at
some point in their academic career. So why had they not learned?


One reason is that people seldom receive negative feedback
about their skills and abilities from others in everyday life (Blum-
berg, 1972; Darley & Fazio, 1980; Goffman, 1955; Matlin &
Stang, 1978; Tesser & Rosen, 1975). Even young children are
familiar with the notion that "if you do not have something nice to
say, don't say anything at all." Second, the bungled robbery
attempt of McArthur Wheeler not withstanding, some tasks and
settings preclude people from receiving self-correcting informa-
tion that would reveal the suboptimal nature of their decisions
(Einhorn, 1982). Third, even if people receive negative feedback,
they still must come to an accurate understanding of why that
failure has occurred. The problem with failure is that it is subject
to more attributional ambiguity than success. For success to occur,
many things must go right: The person must be skilled, apply
effort, and perhaps be a bit lucky. For failure to occur, the lack of
any one of these components is sufficient. Because of this, even if
people receive feedback that points to a lack of skill, they may
attribute it to some other factor (Snyder, Higgins, & Stucky, 1983;
Snyder, Shenkel, & Lowery, 1977).


Finally, Study 3 showed that incompetent individuals may be
unable to take full advantage of one particular kind of feedback:
social comparison. One of the ways people gain insight into their
own competence is by watching the behavior of others (Festinger,
1954; Gilbert, Giesler & Morris, 1995). In a perfect world, every-
one could see the judgments and decisions that other people reach,
accurately assess how competent those decisions are, and then
revise their view of their own competence by comparison. How-
ever, Study 3 showed that incompetent individuals are unable to
take full advantage of such opportunities. Compared with their
more expert peers, they were less able to spot competence when
they saw it, and as a consequence, were less able to learn that their
ability estimates were incorrect.
 
If this experiment showed any promise that the telekinesis was viable, why hasn't it been replicated and improved on it the last, what, 30 years? Why hasn't the telekinesis been proven? Influencing things with the mind alone has more than a few profitable applications.
 
So comedy is another area where "Buddha" has delusions of inadequacy.

Doh! As halleyscomet and aleCcowaN both correctly surmised this should have read "So comedy is another area where "Buddha" has delusions of adequacy." Thanks for trying to warn me Alec and, making for the correction in your quote HC.


Autocorrect has struck again! And unfortunately the edit window has slammed shut on my fingers...

But for the record the intention was definitely "delusions of adequacy" .
 
Groundless boasting followed by an irrelevant story and a veiled insult. If you can't follow the discussion, just say so.

Take mercy on him :)

He already said that he could not follow the discussion:
Sometimes it takes so much effort to get through the muddy waters of your posts that I seek inspiration in the music.
Being the superior intellect here by definition, he knows that if he cannot follow your reasoning, it can only be because your thoughts are muddy. You cannot expect any admission of inadequacy, because it is logically impossible, given that he is superior.
 
Wow, the more OP discovers that he can't outsmart his interlocutors, the more he starts relying on outright insults and unwarranted boasting.
Trying to save face before flouncing?
 
If this experiment showed any promise that the telekinesis was viable, why hasn't it been replicated and improved on it the last, what, 30 years? Why hasn't the telekinesis been proven? Influencing things with the mind alone has more than a few profitable applications.

Maybe the following will give us a hint of one possible "buddhaesque" deflective answer to that (including he suggesting his "n:rolleyes:teworthy" probabilistic abilities to develop killer tricks, and "a friend of his"):

Buddha said:
Unless of course telekinesis is real but rare and feeble.

Telekinesis being real would certainly explain why the last time I went to Vegas the roulette wheel enabled me to leave the city with exactly $40 less than I arrived with. I was betting on either red or black not a specific number. Influencing that with psychic powers would certainly be easier than forcing a particular number.
You should play online poker instead if you live in Nevada. As a successful player, you could earn plenty of money as my friend did. Unfortunately, the online poker is banned in majority of the states. But you could go to a casino instead, you won't need telekinetic ability to make money there, but you would need some knowledge of the probability theory.
 
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Wow, the more OP discovers that he can't outsmart his interlocutors, the more he starts relying on outright insults and unwarranted boasting.
Trying to save face before flouncing?

It appears so. This is perplexing because he flounced out of all his previous threads long before this point. Why is THIS hill the one he chooses to die on?
 
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan

The PEAR study does not qualify as "Extraordinary evidence," no mater how much you diddle the statistics. The fact that the baseline is borked, something even the original study's author admits, means the study isn't evidence at all!

 
“Occasionally during the course of the research the electrodes which had
* been mounted for the purpose of detecting touches by the subject responded
in the apparent absence of touch. It was subsequently found that North
continued to be able to produce such artifacts without touch when a low impedance operational amplifier supposedly immune to such effects was
attached to the electrode. Only North seemed able to affect the apparatus
in this way (Hasted & Robertson, 1981).”Palmer, page 185

I am not sure where Palmer is going with this – even if North affected the apparatus differently than anyone else, this doesn’t mean that the metal bending didn’t occur. Once again, Palmer didn’t draw a conclusion based on this “anomaly”.

“To further test for electrical effects, North participated in a series
of seven sessions using two metal bars in a radial configuration. Both the
electrodes and strain gauges were utilized as sensors. Almost half the
signals (44%) registered exclusively on the electrodes, with 24% exclusively
on the strain gauges and 32% on both. The proportion of electrode
activations increased over sessions. Hasted speculated that North's
awareness of the increasing interest in the electrode effects contributed to
their increased prevalence. “ Palmer, page 185

As Palmer said, Hasted speculated about the subjects awareness. But this speculation is irrelevant to the research; it seems strange that Palmer brought it up without addressing real issues. Maybe, there were no issues with the experiment.

I"n a subsequent series of ten sessions with North, an attempt was made
to determine whether the effect was on the electrodes themselves or on the
surrounding atmosphere. Two electrodes separated by distances ranging from
0.4 to 6.2 cm were given charges of +9V and -9V, respectively, the - potentials being reversed every 11 seconds. Their hypothesis predicted that
under the conditions of their experiment, if the signals were associated
with atmospheric ionization charge bursts would appear uniformly at the
oppositely charged electrode, whereas no such correlation would be found if
the signals originated from the electrodes directly. It was found that
95.1% of the 1123 recorded signals behaved in accordance with their
atmosphere-ionization hypothesis.
However, this conclusion was contradicted in yet another experiment
(Hasted & Robertson, 1981). Hasted came to realize that previous results
could be accounted for by assuming the origin of the charge to be on the
subject's body and that it travelled through the atmosphere to the target
along what he called a "temporary 'paranormal conduction' path" (p. 181). He
reasoned that the atmosphere-ionization hypothesis would be refuted if it
could be shown that a high-frequency signal could be transferred from a
subject's body to the target. Such a signal could not be transmitted by drift or diffusion, the base for the atmospheric-ionization hypothesis.
Thus, a 10 kHz potential was transferred to Stephen North's body by placing
close to him a 10 kHz oscillator connected to a metal plate or "antenna." As
* predicted by the "conduction path" hypothesis, the 10 kHz signal was also
momentarily transferred to or induced on a partially screened electrode in
the vicinity of North. This effect was not obtained with control subjects.” Palmer, page 186

Palmer is not a scientist, so he doesn’t see the difference between two experiments that were run under different conditions. It appears that Hasted’s prediction regarding the first experiment was correct, but under the new conditions the old explanation didn’t work, so Hasted found a new one.

On a person note – I rather have debates with Palmer, Jeffers and Alcock than with Jay with his pseudo-scientific ideas. I know that the trio is not on this board. But this website is one of the top websites dedicated to science, if not the top one. I hope that the trio can hear me, and they come to defense of their idiotic articles.
 
Couple of members jumped to conclusion that my remark about the knowledge of mathematical statistics is a thinly veiled attempt to disguise my assertion about my “intellectual superiority” over all board members. This is bs, and total lack of understanding of my personality – if I want to say something, I do not mince words and hide in shadows, which is a main characteristic of people with extremely high self-esteem. I am also known for being politically incorrect when I speak about hot button topics such as gay marriage (although I recently dropped my opposition to it, I still see it as completely useless), profiling of potential terrorists based on their countries of origin but not on their race, and many more.

This happened at another board: a member started debate requiring considerable knowledge of immunology. Immunology is not my forte, so I didn’t participate in the discussion. Apparently the opposition was weak, and a week later the OP announced that he ends the debate because his opponents lack basic knowledge of immunology. I didn’t find his remark offensive because it was true, although I wished that he had provided more printed data about immunology and continued the debate. Apparently, no one thought that his remark was offensive because there were no complains.

Sometimes board members bring their own insecurities into a debate, and accuse their opponents of implying things that are simply not true. This is illogical and shows extremely poor judgment of character on their part.

Suppose, I never had a debate with XYZ or criticized her posts. Based on the lack of information exchange, it is impossible to say whether I am intellectually superior or inferior to her. Vast majority of the board members did not participate in this debate, so my critics are dead wrong about my “claim” of intellectual superiority over everyone. However, in Jay’s case I have clearly stated that I am much more intelligent than he is.
 
On a person note – I rather have debates with Palmer, Jeffers and Alcock than with Jay with his pseudo-scientific ideas. I know that the trio is not on this board. But this website is one of the top websites dedicated to science, if not the top one. I hope that the trio can hear me, and they come to defense of their idiotic articles.

Wishing for different opponents will not make me or the truth go away. You have proven you can't understand their articles. We're just waiting for you to acknowledge that fact before we attempt to educate you.
 

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