• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

Status
Not open for further replies.
One has to wonder how much longer Manafort can hold out without folding. When You're sitting on a 7 high hand and your opponent just went all in, surely you have to know that calling is not a good option at all. It seems that he's desperately hoping that someone is going to rush in and overturn the table and save his butt. You got to wonder how long till he realises it's not going to happen.
 
The Big Dog said:
Today I understand it is because he said that people should not hire Michael Cohen as their attorney, which ironically sent the outrage meter all the way to 11.

Which I think is special.
Click to expand...

I don't think you're seeing outrage at all. I'd describe it as a mix of despair and laughter. eta: And mockery, of course.
 
Last edited:
https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1032243639894847493

Just got off the phone with Lanny Davis, Michael Cohen's lawyer, who told me: “I have an impression that Mr. Cohen could address topics of interest to Mr. Mueller relating to whether Mr. Trump had advanced knowledge of the hacking of emails for political purposes."

Lanny Davis also said: "We have definitive evidence that Donald Trump committed a crime and a crime involving the corruption of American democracy ... He lied and he covered up and corrupted democracy. So as far I am concerned, that is an indictable offense.”

Lanny Davis, Michael Cohen lawyer, also said: “He (Michael Cohen) would not accept a pardon from Donald Trump...I believe that a pardon from Donald Trump would by definition be dirty.” Davis adds that Trump has been "reckless" by taking away security clearances.

Lanny Davis said Michael Cohen expects to go jail but he is not sure how long it might serve if he is jailed.

Lanny Davis on the president's potential legal exposure: “The evidence shows that Trump directed and coordinated making Trump as much of a criminal as Michael admitted to being. It’s just that Mr. Trump won't testify under oath and admit the truth that he is just as much guilty."

My Big Q: Why didn't plea agreement state that Cohen was cooperating?
Lanny Davis tells me: “I have a client telling me I am willing to tell the truth to anyone who asks me. So that is the functional equivalent of the word ‘cooperate.’ I don’t know why...they didn’t use the word”
Click to expand...
 
The Big Dog said:
No wai! The guy pleading guilty in a plea agreement said exactly what the government wanted him to say?

Here is my shocked face: o
Click to expand...

Can you explain your reasoning, here? It seems like you're saying that "the government" wants to prosecute Trump, for some unknown reason, but since Trump committed no crime they can't do so legitimately and instead have persuaded Michael Cohen to send himself to prison by confessing to a crime that does not exist? I assume that you're not saying that, though, because that's unutterably stupid.
 
The Big Dog said:
Holy crap, wait until you hear of the blue dress, Monica Lewinski, the cigar and the Oval Office.
Click to expand...

I do remember that. Massive investigation and impeachment proceedings, weren't there?

It's an interesting suggestion, but I think it's better to wait until Mueller's investigation has established Trump's actual crimes beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe another year.
 
acbytesla said:
People in general are gullible. Not that they are stupid, but they want to believe and they don't apply critical thinking. It's not that they are incapable, it's that they are lazy and afraid of challenging the group think of their associates. And this goes for the majority on both sides of the political spectrum.
Click to expand...


I think you're oversimplifying here.

Thinking critically is really hard. Human beings are designed to be lousy at it, it takes effort and knowledge and awareness and at least some level of intelligence and, crucially, education.

On top of that there are some of the most expensively educated minds in the world all using every trick they can find, old and new, to make their targets utterly fail to think critically and cause them to think how they're told.

It's hard to fight that when one has at least some knowledge and education. It's almost impossible to fight that without a reasonable education and an understanding of how poor the human brain is at thinking properly.
 
Dr. Keith said:
You weren't saying he wasn't guilty, you were saying it wasn't a crime. If it isn't a crime on its face as plead then the judge can not accept a guilty plea.

I pled guilty to driving 55 in a 55 mph zone. That isn't a crime. The judge won't accept that as a guilty plea. Unless I further pled that the conditions were such that may speed was dangerous. Then it is reckless driving, which is a crime. Any judge accepting that plea will have to agree that the conditions described in the plea are clear enough that my driving the posted speed was reckless. So, now you have a judge, prosecutors, the driver (also an attorney), and the driver's attorney all agreeing that the described conditions made driving the post speed a crime. But still on the internet someone will say that is impossible.
Click to expand...

Crime isn't crime.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I do remember that. Massive investigation and impeachment proceedings, weren't there?

It's an interesting suggestion, but I think it's better to wait until Mueller's investigation has established Trump's actual crimes beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe another year.
Click to expand...

And here is the bit that Dolt 45 sycophants still don't get.

They bring up "the blue dress, Monica Lewinski, the cigar and the Oval Office", not understanding that none of those things, or the things that happened with, or in those things, were crimes or impeachable offences. It it was lying to Federal investigators and lying before Congress in their efforts to cover it all up that was the criminal offence and that lead to impeachment proceedings.
 
Last edited:
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Trump is reportedly starting to understand that he's in trouble
Click to expand...

more importantly, his empire, his legacy and his children are in trouble.


Edit: he has way more compassion for Manafort than for Cohen, even though he knew the one only for a year, the other for probably two decades. Fox says they were friends, but they were not: Trump was just dazzled by Manafort's spendthrift ways, and realizes that he, too, could lose it all and end up in prison. Trump doesn't feel bad for Manafort, but for his future self.
 
Last edited:
PhantomWolf said:
One has to wonder how much longer Manafort can hold out without folding. When You're sitting on a 7 high hand and your opponent just went all in, surely you have to know that calling is not a good option at all. It seems that he's desperately hoping that someone is going to rush in and overturn the table and save his butt. You got to wonder how long till he realises it's not going to happen.
Click to expand...

Considering how in bed with Russian interests he was, he may have other considerations. He can go to prison with a protective edge or he can go to prison wondering if it will be a shiv or polonium tea that will do him in.

He could very well believe that staying quiet is what will make his life easier from this point forward.
 
smartcooky said:
And here is the bit that Dolt 45 sycophants still don't get.

They bring up "the blue dress, Monica Lewinski, the cigar and the Oval Office", not understanding that none of those things, or the things that happened with, or in those things, were crimes or impeachable offences. It it was lying to Federal investigators and lying before Congress in their efforts to cover it all up that was the criminal offence and that lead to impeachment proceedings.
Click to expand...


Agreed, playing hide-the-cigar with Monica was not an impeachable offence. However, lying about it while under oath before a grand jury was.

Conversely, a campaign finance violation is also not an impeachable offence. And President Trump won't foolishly walk into a perjury trap. Ain't gonna happen!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom