Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

[gregthehammer]

Hey don't rock the boat. The more he's focused on piddling personal matters the less damage he can do.

Looking at the bright side!

 

[pgwenthold]

As someone pointed out on Twitter. The only way his hard core supporters will desert him is if he turns out to be black!

Here's one that I sometimes wonder about: suppose there comes a revelation that he paid for a mistress to have an abortion.

What's the hit?

We already know that paying to silence a mistress costs him nothing. If we find out he paid for one to have an abortion, how far does it go? What's the over/under on the hit he takes among evangelicals? 20%?

What about the overall? 10%

 

[ponderingturtle]

They don't get to claim victory. You don't reward an arsonist for putting out a fire he started.

Of course you do. See the Pardoning that Trump did of those ranchers for their arson.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Hey don't rock the boat. The more he's focused on piddling personal matters the less damage he can do.

Wait wasn't it piddling personal matters that made him side with Russia over the CIA?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

"Twitter “SHADOW BANNING” prominent Republicans. Not good. We will look into this discriminatory and illegal practice at once! Many complaints."

"The United States will impose large sanctions on Turkey for their long time detainment of Pastor Andrew Brunson, a great Christian, family man and wonderful human being. He is suffering greatly. This innocent man of faith should be released immediately!"

 

[LSSBB]

Yes, I feel sorry for Facebook having to try to separate Republicans from Russian agents based only on what they post.

It's a Poe nightmare.

 

[slyjoe]

Trump Tweets

"Twitter “SHADOW BANNING” prominent Republicans. Not good. We will look into this discriminatory and illegal practice at once! Many complaints."

"The United States will impose large sanctions on Turkey for their long time detainment of Pastor Andrew Brunson, a great Christian, family man and wonderful human being. He is suffering greatly. This innocent man of faith should be released immediately!"

Everything is about money with Trump. That only lasts so long.

ETA: I guess his newest favorite toy is sanctions.

 

[Aridas]

(who seem to have a glitch in their software, a glitch related to Russian spam-bots, a problem that Trump should be working on fixing.)

Fixing? By making it so that the spam-bots reach even more actual people than they had been reaching?

 

[Segnosaur]

Here's one that I sometimes wonder about: suppose there comes a revelation that he paid for a mistress to have an abortion.
...
We already know that paying to silence a mistress costs him nothing. If we find out he paid for one to have an abortion, how far does it go? What's the over/under on the hit he takes among evangelicals? 20%?

I'd say its closer to 0%, and he'll retain pretty much all of the support that he currently gets from the Christian right-wing.

Evangelicals are known for their hypocrisy, double standards, and outright immoral actions and attitudes. If its found that Trump paid for an abortion, they will say something like "It was in the past but now he's a changed man", or "We're giving him another mulligan". Or "Whatabout Clinton".

 

[ponderingturtle]

I'd say its closer to 0%, and he'll retain pretty much all of the support that he currently gets from the Christian right-wing.

Evangelicals are known for their hypocrisy, double standards, and outright immoral actions and attitudes. If its found that Trump paid for an abortion, they will say something like "It was in the past but now he's a changed man", or "We're giving him another mulligan". Or "Whatabout Clinton".

Of course he wouldn't have paid for it himself, probably got the money from the Trump Foundation.

Trump paying a debt like that? Inconceivable!

 

[dudalb]

I'd say its closer to 0%, and he'll retain pretty much all of the support that he currently gets from the Christian right-wing.

Evangelicals are known for their hypocrisy, double standards, and outright immoral actions and attitudes. If its found that Trump paid for an abortion, they will say something like "It was in the past but now he's a changed man", or "We're giving him another mulligan". Or "Whatabout Clinton".

I agree about the hypocrisy of Evangelical Trump supporters, but I would not blanket say all Evangelicals are Trump supporters. In face, the Evnagleical movement is dividing between the hard liners and those with a more moderate outlook. Quite a bit is being written about that.
As for being hypocritacl and double standards, hell, that applies to every relgion..strike that, any organization made up of human beings.

 

[jimbob]

I agree about the hypocrisy of Evangelical Trump supporters, but I would not blanket say all Evangelicals are Trump supporters. In face, the Evnagleical movement is dividing between the hard liners and those with a more moderate outlook. Quite a bit is being written about that.
As for being hypocritacl and double standards, hell, that applies to every relgion..strike that, any organization made up of human beings.

But the wilful blindness of the Trump Evangelicals is... noteworthy, even by those standards.

 

[jimbob]

Meanwhile, popcorn time

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ens-unhinged-white-house-memoir-idUSKBN1KG2K2

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former White House aide and reality television star Omarosa Manigault Newman will chronicle her time in U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration in a memoir to be released Aug. 14, her publisher said Thursday.

The memoir is called "Unhinged"

 

[dudalb]

Reports the "Deal" with the EU is already in trouble over farm subsidies.
Why am I so not surprised.

 

[pgwenthold]

Well, of course. Those things are immoral and an affront to god. Unlike assaulting women or being subservient to another country.

I think you can find that particular passage in the bible. Look under Two-Corinthians.

Always gets me. If you look in the bible, you won't find much about abortion. Although there is the Test of the Unfaithful Wife where, if your wife is pregnant and you suspect her of being unfaithful, you give her a potion and if she was unfaithful, it will induce an abortion. So in that case, abortion is the prescribed outcome. But other than that, you won't find the bible to address abortion directly (there are some indirect references in the bible where babies under 1 month have no value, which contradicts the assertion that they equal to adults).

In contrast, I can easily find places in the bible that prohibit adultery. In fact, it's one of those commandments that christians are so anxious to get displayed in the public square.

Yet, which of these do they hang their hat on? One of them turns into basically single issue voters, while the other gets ignored.

 

[The Don]

Reports the "Deal" with the EU is already in trouble over farm subsidies.
Why am I so not surprised.

Well I can't imagine that President Trump had any intention of removing US subsidies or lowering US tariffs, he just wants the EU to get rid of theirs.....

 

[Segnosaur]

Re: Evangelical support if found Trump paid for an abortion...

I'd say its closer to 0%, and he'll retain pretty much all of the support that he currently gets from the Christian right-wing.

Evangelicals are known for their hypocrisy, double standards, and outright immoral actions and attitudes

I agree about the hypocrisy of Evangelical Trump supporters, but I would not blanket say all Evangelicals are Trump supporters. In face, the Evnagleical movement is dividing between the hard liners and those with a more moderate outlook.

True, technically not all evangelical Christians are Trump supporters. But the vast majority are. (Especially among white evangelicals.) Evangelicals who oppose Trump are a relatively small minority.

From: https://www.vox.com/identities/2018...ical-support-for-trump-is-at-an-all-time-high
The poll, conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute in March, found that a full 75 percent of white evangelicals surveyed had a positive opinion of Donald Trump, compared to just 22 percent holding an unfavorable view.

As for being hypocritacl and double standards, hell, that applies to every relgion..strike that, any organization made up of human beings.

Yes, hypocrisy is certainly common across religions and in other organizations. The difference is:
- Evangelicals elevate the hypocrisy to a whole new level
- Evangelicals (as a voting block) are more influential than other organizations

 

[pgwenthold]

I agree about the hypocrisy of Evangelical Trump supporters, but I would not blanket say all Evangelicals are Trump supporters..

No, it's "only" about 80%.

 

[Stacko]

Are we ever going to get back to Wilbur Ross brazenly perjuring himself in sworn congressional testimony or is that one of those things we shrug off these days?​

It's kind of amazing how Ross's brazen corruption has flown under the radar due to all the other corruption going on.

 

[pgwenthold]

Yes, hypocrisy is certainly common across religions and in other organizations. The difference is:
- Evangelicals elevate the hypocrisy to a whole new level
- Evangelicals (as a voting block) are more influential than other organizations

And the hypocrisy is not nearly as common across all religions and groups.

The best one is "How important is morality for a President"?

In 2013, something like 80% of Evangelicals claimed it was important. Liberal protestants and atheists were more like 60%.

In 2017, they asked again. Liberal protestants and atheists were still around 60%. Evangelicals came in at like 30%. (Catholics dropped some, but not as much as the Evangeilcals)

Where is the hypocrisy among the liberal protestants and atheists?

Complete false equivalency. This is no more than thepresige's "all politicians lie" dodge.