Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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Polls show that the split of leave : remain intended voting hasn't changed much since the referendum. I think if there were a big swing towards remain, then the powers that be would already have arranged a second 'try again' referendum in the manner previously used in other EU countries when the population voted the 'wrong way' from the EU's point of view.

I think it's still (unfortunately) true that if the polls show a strong swing towards remain then a second referendum will quickly be arranged.

One reason the polling numbers haven't changed much (so far) is that some people who voted remain have now switched their allegiance to leave. Some don't like the perceived bullying from the EU in the Brexit negotiations and now want to stand up to the bullies. Some accept the democratic outcome and now wish to see that outcome implemented - they don't like the manoeuvring by the losing side in an attempt to overturn the result so they would switch their vote to the side that won the first referendum in a spirit of fair play.
 
Two vice-chairs of the Conservative Party are quitting their posts in protest at Theresa May's Chequers Brexit compromise plan.

Maria Caulfield and Ben Bradley warned the PM her plan would not capitalise on the opportunities of Brexit.

"This policy will be bad for our country and bad for the party," Ms Caulfield said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44785797
 
Im seeing that Rees Mogg is trying to table an amendment that would make the Irish backstop position illegal by insisiting that NI must be part of the same.custpms area as GB
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Im seeing that Rees Mogg is trying to table an amendment that would make the Irish backstop position illegal by insisiting that NI must be part of the same.custpms area as GB
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Would that not make Brexit itself illegal in all but the softest terms? Its already law that there can't be a border between Ireland and NI, so making the backstop illegal would only leave the option of the whole UK staying in the SM and CU.

Plus, that amendment could run into trouble with the GFA. Not sure about this, but there might be a conflict between making it illegal for NI to be outside the GB customs area and the stipulation that the people of NI can vote themselves into a united Ireland.
 
Strawberry said:
Would that not make Brexit itself illegal in all but the softest terms? Its already law that there can't be a border between Ireland and NI, so making the backstop illegal would only leave the option of the whole UK staying in the SM and CU.

Plus, that amendment could run into trouble with the GFA. Not sure about this, but there might be a conflict between making it illegal for NI to be outside the GB customs area and the stipulation that the people of NI can vote themselves into a united Ireland.
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I think he'd argue that the wording around that law allows for the implementation of "Maxfac" whereby the EU would suspend all laws and regulations and allow the UK to export whatever it likes into the EU.whilst still not being part of any customs union ;)
 
Strawberry said:
Would that not make Brexit itself illegal in all but the softest terms? Its already law that there can't be a border between Ireland and NI, so making the backstop illegal would only leave the option of the whole UK staying in the SM and CU.
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That is the benefit of the no deal brexit, you don't need to make laws and stuff to get there.
 
The Brexit blueprint will be published today:

A long-awaited blueprint for the UK's relations with the EU will be published later, with ministers vowing to deliver a "practical and principled" Brexit.

The "comprehensive vision" for future trade and co-operation is aimed at ensuring global trade deals and no hard border in Northern Ireland.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44799469

My expectations are suitably "managed". :rolleyes:
 
Mogg says he is going totable amendments to torpedo the plan and ensure the 'Will of the People' is enacted.
 
Tweet by Priti Patel MP Retweeted BrexitCentral

"This is no longer an argument about whether Brexit was a good idea but is about democracy & standing by the democratic decision made by the people. The public want to know that their political leaders will stay true to the promise made to them that Brexit means Brexit."

So Brexit is a bad idea but we should do it anyway because ...
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Tweet by Priti Patel MP Retweeted BrexitCentral

"This is no longer an argument about whether Brexit was a good idea but is about democracy & standing by the democratic decision made by the people. The public want to know that their political leaders will stay true to the promise made to them that Brexit means Brexit."

So Brexit is a bad idea but we should do it anyway because ...
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Whatever of course the highlighted means. A number of prominent Brexiteers assured us that we'd remain in the EEA and/or customs union.

But yes, it has now become a point of political principle and consequences be damned. The people voted (by a small margin in a non-binding referendum) to Leave and so we will leave even if we have to destroy the UK economy in the process. :rolleyes:
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Tweet by Priti Patel MP Retweeted BrexitCentral

"This is no longer an argument about whether Brexit was a good idea but is about democracy & standing by the democratic decision made by the people. The public want to know that their political leaders will stay true to the promise made to them that Brexit means Brexit."

So Brexit is a bad idea but we should do it anyway because ...
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Clearly the will of the people in 2019 or 2018 is unimportant and what they wanted in 2016 triumphs. On that logic perhaps May could insist on getting back the seats she lost between the
2015 and 2017 elections.
 
Lothian said:
Clearly the will of the people in 2019 or 2018 is unimportant and what they wanted in 2016 triumphs. On that logic perhaps May could insist on getting back the seats she lost between the
2015 and 2017 elections.
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Going back to my analogy about a family voting to move house.....

Yes promises were made about being able to move to a far nicer house, in a nicer place for less money - but they turned out to be lies/overoptimistic.

It's now clear that we have three options:

  • Stay put (if the house sale hasn't completed)
  • Rent (rather than own) the house next door for a wee bit more than we're currently paying an having no say how the place is decorated (soft Brexit)
  • Sleeping rough (hard Brexit)

It seems the Conservative Party is determined to see us sleeping in the park, ignoring the two other options because "moving house means moving house" :rolleyes:
 
Wildy said:
But that means he's ignoring the will of the Northern Irish people who wanted to stay in the EU.
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Voting to stay in the EU makes you a traitor to the cause and so you can be safely ignored.

In any case, Flanders and Swann have already covered this in the Song of Patriotic Prejudice.



The Irishman now out contempt is beneath
He sleeps in his boots and he lies through his teeth
He blows up policemen, or so I have heard
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third!

The English are noble, the English are nice,
And worth any other at double the price
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