Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

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The Don said:
I'm not saying that there is, but some posters here, Skeptic Ginger prominent among them, think that President Trump has a mental illness - indeed there is a whole thread about it. They also seem to imply that because he has a mental illness, he shouldn't be President.

Perhaps I have misunderstood and/or misrepresented their position :confused:
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It certainly could be, through the 25th amendment where the president can be stripped of his power and still retain the office.
 
timhau said:
It's just laziness combined with the attention span of a hamster. It makes him a terrible president, but it's not a mental illness.
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But it might be enough for congress to find him "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" then it is enough to remove him from power via the 25th amendment.

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"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office."
 
timhau said:
It's just laziness combined with the attention span of a hamster. It makes him a terrible president, but it's not a mental illness.
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"Mental illness" isn't exactly the right term, but Trump is still obviously affected by his narcissistic personality disorder. It's a sliding scale, but his psychological issues are pretty much what make him a buffoon.

In other words, this explains why he's a terrible president.
 
https://twitter.com/LannyDavis/status/1016280422928576513

Did @rudygiuliani really say on Sunday shows that @michaelcohen212 should cooperate with prosecutors and tell the truth? Seriously? Is that Trump and Giuliani definition of “truth”? Trump/Giuliani next to the word “truth” = oxymoron. Stay tuned. #thetruthmatters
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Lanny Davis is Michael Cohen's lawyer.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1015759394229846016

Why is my representing @MichaelCohen212 as attorney of such high interest? Not about me. It’s about a nation’s yearning for truth. And Michael Cohen has said it’s time for him to speak the truth and put his family and Country first. I am glad to help him.
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Yet another lawsuit against Trump:

From: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/09/trump-driver-sues-unpaid-wages-noel-cintron
Donald Trump’s former personal driver has sued the president’s family business for thousands of hours of unpaid overtime...

Ok, someone claiming for unpaid work against Trump isn't too surprising (its about as common as the sun rising in the east). And compared to things like Trump University and the potential problems of the Mueller investigation its rather small potatoes. Still, it is nice to see even more legal problems piling up for Trump.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Pardoning Cohen only gives him more incentive to flip on Trump. Because it means he has to testify about what Trump knew and does not prevent charges of perjury on that testimony.
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That wasn't what I was talking about.

I was talking about Trump staying friends with Cohen, finding money for his legal bills, telling him Trump would take care of him when this was over, yadda yadda.

Instead Trump is pouting, and Cohen feels abandoned. Not a smart move on Trump's part. Shows he's more about himself and not about clever manipulating of Cohen.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That wasn't what I was talking about.

I was talking about Trump staying friends with Cohen, finding money for his legal bills, telling him Trump would take care of him when this was over, yadda yadda.

Instead Trump is pouting, and Cohen feels abandoned. Not a smart move on Trump's part. Shows he's more about himself and not about clever manipulating of Cohen.
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Seriously when has Trump ever shown anyway ability in earning loyalty and expressing loyalty to those who support him? In Trumpland loyalty is a one way street.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Seriously when has Trump ever shown anyway ability in earning loyalty and expressing loyalty to those who support him? In Trumpland loyalty is a one way street.
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That's not fair. Trump can be Quite loyal to people who support him.

After all, Putin supported him and Trump seems to be quite eager to repay him with loyalty, what with Trump asking for Russia to be readmitted to the G7/G8.
 
It's the turn of NATO to be the tweet subject

Trump Tweets

"The United States is spending far more on NATO than any other Country. This is not fair, nor is it acceptable. While these countries have been increasing their contributions since I took office, they must do much more. Germany is at 1%, the U.S. is at 4%, and NATO benefits......."

"...Europe far more than it does the U.S. By some accounts, the U.S. is paying for 90% of NATO, with many countries nowhere close to their 2% commitment. On top of this the European Union has a Trade Surplus of $151 Million with the U.S., with big Trade Barriers on U.S. goods. NO!"


I like the conflating the EU with NATO.
 
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trump Tweets

"I have long heard that the most important decision a U.S. President can make is the selection of a Supreme Court Justice - Will be announced tonight at 9:00 P.M."
 
Trump Tweets

"The failing NY Times Fake News story today about breast feeding must be called out. The U.S. strongly supports breast feeding but we don’t believe women should be denied access to formula. Many women need this option because of malnutrition and poverty."
 
Trump tweets

"Pfizer & others should be ashamed that they have raised drug prices for no reason. They are merely taking advantage of the poor & others unable to defend themselves, while at the same time giving bargain basement prices to other countries in Europe & elsewhere. We will respond!"
 
Tonight, Prime Time on BBC 1 the main channel.


Trump: Is the President a Sex Pest?

Should be fun.
 
The Don said:
I'm not saying that there is, but some posters here, Skeptic Ginger prominent among them, think that President Trump has a mental illness - indeed there is a whole thread about it. They also seem to imply that because he has a mental illness, he shouldn't be President.

Perhaps I have misunderstood and/or misrepresented their position :confused:
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You are conflating different things and yes you are misrepresenting my POV. In addition you are dragging a few cherry picked items from an argument that is well fleshed out in the other thread over here.

I have posted examples of his behavior and actions that reflect his pathologic narcissism. That is a completely different statement from he's dangerously mentally ill.
 
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eerok said:
"Mental illness" isn't exactly the right term, but Trump is still obviously affected by his narcissistic personality disorder. It's a sliding scale, but his psychological issues are pretty much what make him a buffoon.

In other words, this explains why he's a terrible president.
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This is close to my POV as well.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You should look at the other thread.
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And honestly mental illness is totally irrelevant in a psychological and medical sense. What matters is high crimes and misdemeanors and if he is is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.

The second is where mental health would factor in and the diagnosis is irrelevant, it is if the senate thinks that. It could be from demon possession and if the VP, cabinet and senate agree that is a valid reason to remove the president.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Tonight, Prime Time on BBC 1 the main channel.


Trump: Is the President a Sex Pest?

Should be fun.
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I heard the rumour earlier : if there's anything in it Trump will be in foul mood when he gets to the UK.


Boris Johnson has resigned as Foreign Secretary, and he love him some Trump, even saying recently that Trump would make short work of the Brexit negotiations. The new guy's got no reason to fawn over him at all; quite the opposite, in fact. Trump is toxic.



I'll be even more gleeful if the Queen, gawd bless 'er, gets a diplomatic tummy-bug so Charles can stand in and bend Trump's ear on climate change. But sufficient to each day is the glee therein.
 
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