Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[Red Baron Farms]

Of course it exceeded electrical energy input and all possible output from conventional chemical reactions.

Show me.

OOPS you can't... or you would have done so long ago.

You just can't admit that you yourself overlooked such a simple thing can you? That you yourself were fooled by such a silly trick?

 

[markie]

So, rather than the single, elegant and universally applicable explanation for the electron given by quantum mechanics, Mills' new 'theory' has an electron that needs a different form and equation for
A free electron
An electron around a hydrogen atom
An electron being captured by a nucleus
An electron stablized by polar molecules (how DOES mills orbitsphere explain polar bonds by the way?)
Probably an electron in an e- / e+ pair, but that is not something he thought about
An electron in a bond between two hydrogen atoms
electrons in every other element.

Don't forget pseudoelectrons.
And why do you say Mills hasn't thought about e- / e+ pairing, when he devotes an entire chapter of his book to positronium? Seriously.

Despite your protests, Mills electrons remain a 2D surface membrane of moving mass and charge, no matter what the environment. The size and geometry of that surface can change according to the environment, such that a low energy configuration is attained. This shouldn't be hard to grasp.

Now, let's hear "the single, elegant and universally applicable explanation for the electron given by quantum mechanics"

Contrast that to what Einstein said: "I would just like to know what an electron is."

AND an electron in a special magical configuration that never occurs anywhere in nature, but can ONLY be accessed in Mills' lab in the hands of Mills even though the experimental setup occurs in nature and should give off immense amounts of unexplained energy, that somehow is in a material that can do exactly what Mills wants, even if the results are contradictory (his claims it is both the utterly non-reactive, non detectable dark matter AND easy to form into compounds one can detect).

Not contradictory. That's like saying that results with hydrogen are contradictory because it can form a relatively inert gas H2 - cold H2 is very hard to detect in outer space BTW - and yet be reactive as a hydride, H-. How silly.

 

[markie]

As he doesn’t have a Wiki page, the removal would probably, if true, be because of being off-topic. THe BLP page is about the company and the claims, not an individual’s claimed certifications or awards.

Funnily enough, I can find no information on awards to Mills.

For the record: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Light_Power

Or this: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Randell_Mills

Dr. Mills apparently isn't 'notable' enough to have his own Wiki page entry.
So this will have to do. From

http://brilliantlightpower.wikia.com/wiki/BrilliantLightPower_Wiki

Randell Lee Mills was born on September 3, 1957.

From 1973 - 1985 he served as CEO and General Partner of Mills Brothers Grain Company whilst undertaking his studies.

He attended Franklin and Marshall Collegein Pennsylvania where he graduated Summa Cum Laude, B.A. in 1982. He was a member of the Black Pyramid Honor Society[1]and the Phi Beta Kappa National Honour Society where he was the only Junior invited to join in that year[2]. He received the Willig Pentathlon Prize in Chemistry, one of the oldest and most prestigious awards in chemistry first established in 1912 which is awarded to the senior major who scores the highest on an exam covering the General, Analytical, Organic, Inorganic, and Physical areas of Chemistry. The name of each recipient is placed on a plaque and the student receives the income from the endowment established by Herman Luther Willig.[3]

He also received the Michael A. Lewis Memorial Prize in Physics[4], the Isaac E. Roberts Biology Award[5], the Rawnsley Science Award, the Morgan D. Person Prize in Chemistry, the Fredrick C. Schiffman Award in Chemistry and the Theodore Alexander Saulnier Award in Chemistry.

 

[Kid Eager]

Cool. First question: Why is the web mute on Michael A Lewis Memorial Prize in Physics, beyond that quoted section from BLP, or sites that quote BLP’s site?

 

[abaddon]

Cool. First question: Why is the web mute on Michael A Lewis Memorial Prize in Physics, beyond that quoted section from BLP, or sites that quote BLP’s site?

Because it is Awarded for...

Presented to one or more freshman students in recognition of superior performance in Introductory Physics courses as determined by the faculty of the Physics Department.

You read that right. Top of the class in freshman introductory physics, or at least near the top.

They are all obscure student awards. They are listed here.

At best, one can conclude Mills was a decent student. As a practioner, not so much.

There doesn't appear to be a class crank award, but you can't have everything.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

D
Not contradictory. That's like saying that results with hydrogen are contradictory because it can form a relatively inert gas H2 - cold H2 is very hard to detect in outer space BTW - and yet be reactive as a hydride, H-. How silly.

Ah, but see, there your lack of chemistry knowledge shows again.

H, H⁺. H₂ and H^- are all chemically different substances and thus would be expected to behave differently.

Whereas in Mills' 'theory' the same hydrino behaves differently depending on what he wants it to do. So it's not like saying H and H- behave different, but saying that an H atom behaves differently from another H atom in the same circumstances.
So it is both totally inert, nicely reactive AND can only be made in a lab by Mills, but does not occur in nature, except conveniently out of range of our best sensors, but at the same time is a low energy conversion.

 

[Mike!]

Dr. Mills apparently isn't 'notable' enough to have his own Wiki page entry.
So this will have to do. From

http://brilliantlightpower.wikia.com/wiki/BrilliantLightPower_Wiki

Randell Lee Mills was born on September 3, 1957.

From 1973 - 1985 he served as CEO and General Partner of Mills Brothers Grain Company whilst undertaking his studies.
He attended Franklin and Marshall Collegein Pennsylvania where he graduated Summa Cum Laude, B.A. in 1982. He was a member of the Black Pyramid Honor Society[1]and the Phi Beta Kappa National Honour Society where he was the only Junior invited to join in that year[2]. He received the Willig Pentathlon Prize in Chemistry, one of the oldest and most prestigious awards in chemistry first established in 1912 which is awarded to the senior major who scores the highest on an exam covering the General, Analytical, Organic, Inorganic, and Physical areas of Chemistry. The name of each recipient is placed on a plaque and the student receives the income from the endowment established by Herman Luther Willig.[3]

He also received the Michael A. Lewis Memorial Prize in Physics[4], the Isaac E. Roberts Biology Award[5], the Rawnsley Science Award, the Morgan D. Person Prize in Chemistry, the Fredrick C. Schiffman Award in Chemistry and the Theodore Alexander Saulnier Award in Chemistry.

So he was CEO of a grain company while he was still in high school, or is that some fancy way of saying he sold pot?

 

[W.D.Clinger]

No offence, but he's much smarter than you. And me. And probably everyone else participating here. Hands up if anyone here has graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa (in chemistry), not to mention numerous other distinctions.

I can assure markie that some of this thread's participants were graduated from college with highest honors and were invited to join Phi Beta Kappa.

Such notations are quite common on the CVs of those who work in some of the professions represented by this thread's participants. It would be irrelevant, impolite, and against forum rules to identify specific individuals, but I happen to know some of the participants well enough to justify my assurance.

He attended Franklin and Marshall Collegein Pennsylvania where he graduated Summa Cum Laude, B.A. in 1982. He was a member of the Black Pyramid Honor Society[1]and the Phi Beta Kappa National Honour Society where he was the only Junior invited to join in that year[2]. He received the Willig Pentathlon Prize in Chemistry, one of the oldest and most prestigious awards in chemistry first established in 1912 which is awarded to the senior major who scores the highest on an exam covering the General, Analytical, Organic, Inorganic, and Physical areas of Chemistry. The name of each recipient is placed on a plaque and the student receives the income from the endowment established by Herman Luther Willig.[3]

I can assure markie that some of this thread's participants are named on plaques that annually record a university department's best or highest ranking student(s).

I can assure markie that some of this thread's participants went on to earn advanced degrees in science or related disciplines.

He also received the Michael A. Lewis Memorial Prize in Physics[4], the Isaac E. Roberts Biology Award[5], the Rawnsley Science Award, the Morgan D. Person Prize in Chemistry, the Fredrick C. Schiffman Award in Chemistry and the Theodore Alexander Saulnier Award in Chemistry.

Cool. First question: Why is the web mute on Michael A Lewis Memorial Prize in Physics, beyond that quoted section from BLP, or sites that quote BLP’s site?

Because it is Awarded for...

Presented to one or more freshman students in recognition of superior performance in Introductory Physics courses as determined by the faculty of the Physics Department.

You read that right. Top of the class in freshman introductory physics, or at least near the top.

They are all obscure student awards. They are listed here.

I can assure markie that some of this thread's participants ranked at the top of their class in freshman-level physics courses.

I can also assure markie that some of this thread's participants ranked at or near the top of their class in various graduate courses.

Much more importantly and relevantly, I can assure markie that, unlike Mills, some of this thread's participants know how to extract energy from localized sources of heat.

 

[The Man]

I see what you're saying, but classically there is no field between two *neutral* atoms approaching each other. That is, in the far field there would be no repulsion. They have to contact in some way. The question is, what is the nature of that contact. In QM I suppose that since the electron probability distance from the nucleus extends to infinity, that the 'contact' between probability electron fuzzballs can begin at any distance. With Mill's theory the contact would begin with actual contact of one orbitsphere with the other.

Clearly you didn't see what I was saying, what you were saying (“the outer orbitsphere of an atom when contacting the outer orbitsphere of another atom” and “atoms approaching each other”) or what Reality Check said. Yes, there are fields between two "*neutral* atoms approaching each other". If there weren't, atoms couldn't bond with each other. Again no "contact" is required nor was "the electron probability distance from the nucleus" a factor in the explanation. Ah so Mills' "contact" begins with, well, "contact". How deliberately ignorant of him, heck even you recognize and note above that the atoms (and thus orbitspheres) have to be ”approaching each other “ first.

 

[Hans]

Dr. Mills apparently isn't 'notable' enough to have his own Wiki page entry.
So this will have to do. From

http://brilliantlightpower.wikia.com/wiki/BrilliantLightPower_Wiki

Randell Lee Mills was born on September 3, 1957.

From 1973 - 1985 he served as CEO and General Partner of Mills Brothers Grain Company whilst undertaking his studies.

He attended Franklin and Marshall Collegein Pennsylvania where he graduated Summa Cum Laude, B.A. in 1982. He was a member of the Black Pyramid Honor Society[1]and the Phi Beta Kappa National Honour Society where he was the only Junior invited to join in that year[2]. He received the Willig Pentathlon Prize in Chemistry, one of the oldest and most prestigious awards in chemistry first established in 1912 which is awarded to the senior major who scores the highest on an exam covering the General, Analytical, Organic, Inorganic, and Physical areas of Chemistry. The name of each recipient is placed on a plaque and the student receives the income from the endowment established by Herman Luther Willig.[3]

He also received the Michael A. Lewis Memorial Prize in Physics[4], the Isaac E. Roberts Biology Award[5], the Rawnsley Science Award, the Morgan D. Person Prize in Chemistry, the Fredrick C. Schiffman Award in Chemistry and the Theodore Alexander Saulnier Award in Chemistry.

Wow and yet he still cannot figure out how to use a heat source to do anything.........amazing.

 

[The Man]

I profess ignorance about the what two colliding orbitspheres would 'look' like, and what kind of deformity it would entail, if any. If there is deformity it would be perfectly elastic. The orbitsphere acts as a whole, something I remember reading in Mills GUTCP, but I'm not entirely sure what that entails.

Deformity isn't acting as a "whole". As one part of the orbitsphere shifts the rest would have to shift as well, that would be acting as a whole. For the orbitsphere to deform means different parts of it move differently than other parts, that's not acting as a whole. What the acting "as a whole" and "deformity" entails is just bull crap.

 

[SOdhner]

From 1973 - 1985 he served as CEO and General Partner of Mills Brothers Grain Company whilst undertaking his studies.

Sixteen year old CEO that's also still in school. Well I can beat that, I was CEO of Odhner Brothers Lemonade Company when I was only six.

 

[Rincewind]

Sixteen year old CEO that's also still in school. Well I can beat that, I was CEO of Odhner Brothers Lemonade Company when I was only six.

In a similar vein - funny how his surname and the company name match, huh?

 

[The Man]

Classical physics is not nearly as entertaining as the popularization of quantum physics. In the latter you can have time travel and multiple universes, things popping out of nowhere, and cats that are simultaneously dead and alive.

You forgot the actual popular items in "the popularization of quantum physics". Like cellphones, modern computers and flash memory just to name a few.

 

[Myriad]

While CEO of Mills Brothers Grain Company, did he invent the graino?

 

[gabeygoat]

You forgot the actual popular items in "the popularization of quantum physics". Like cellphones, modern computers and flash memory just to name a few.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Mills' genius mind created, um, well, I'm sure by next year, something.

 

[markie]

Ah, but see, there your lack of chemistry knowledge shows again.

H, H⁺. H₂ and H^- are all chemically different substances and thus would be expected to behave differently.

I don't think you get it.

Hydrino H, Hydrino H₂ and Hydrino H^- are all chemically different substances and thus would be expected to behave differently.

Mills calculates the properties of each form. Yes indeed they are expected to behave differently.

 

[markie]

I can assure markie that some of this thread's participants were graduated from college with highest honors and were invited to join Phi Beta Kappa.

Such notations are quite common on the CVs of those who work in some of the professions represented by this thread's participants. It would be irrelevant, impolite, and against forum rules to identify specific individuals, but I happen to know some of the participants well enough to justify my assurance.

I can assure markie that some of this thread's participants are named on plaques that annually record a university department's best or highest ranking student(s).

I can assure markie that some of this thread's participants went on to earn advanced degrees in science or related disciplines.


I can assure markie that some of this thread's participants ranked at the top of their class in freshman-level physics courses.

I can also assure markie that some of this thread's participants ranked at or near the top of their class in various graduate courses.

Much more importantly and relevantly, I can assure markie that, unlike Mills, some of this thread's participants know how to extract energy from localized sources of heat.

I appreciate your assurances, but no hands have gone up.
No biggie. Hey, maybe they're just too modest.

 

[markie]

Clearly you didn't see what I was saying, what you were saying (“the outer orbitsphere of an atom when contacting the outer orbitsphere of another atom” and “atoms approaching each other”) or what Reality Check said. Yes, there are fields between two "*neutral* atoms approaching each other". If there weren't, atoms couldn't bond with each other. Again no "contact" is required nor was "the electron probability distance from the nucleus" a factor in the explanation. Ah so Mills' "contact" begins with, well, "contact". How deliberately ignorant of him, heck even you recognize and note above that the atoms (and thus orbitspheres) have to be ”approaching each other “ first.

Classically there are no electrical fields between two neutral particles. And they don't require such fields to approach each other for bonding. Translational kinetic energy from (say) heat is sufficient to have them bump into each other, and past a certain energy, they can bond.

You would be surprised what can happen. Two electrons, as paired electrons, can be overlapping in the same orbital. How can this be when they are the same charge? Magnetism.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

I don't think you get it.

Hydrino H, Hydrino H₂ and Hydrino H^- are all chemically different substances and thus would be expected to behave differently.

Mills calculates the properties of each form. Yes indeed they are expected to behave differently.

Ah, so the hydrino with its electron in a hidden (to all others undetectable) inner orbital that cannot interact with anything can also accept another electron or form bonds.
Good thing thing there is no magic.

As for all his titles and awards.
1: Which one of these prevents someone from being a fraud?
2: I've met quite learned people who are also quite insane (as in believing UFO's, truthers etc)