The Trump Presidency VII

[theprestige]

ISTR that when the list of countries that were included in the Muslim ban was first announced it was claimed that the ones not included are the ones in which Trump has business interests. I never checked the veracity of that, but it sounds plausible.

It was also claimed that the ones included are the ones that the security agencies of several countries (including the US State Department) agree have inadequate security controls on terrorist emigration. I never checked the veracity of that, but it sounds plausible.

Now what?

 

[dudalb]

Looks like the Muslim travel ban has been upheld by the supreme court.

From: https://www.vox.com/2018/6/26/17492410/travel-muslim-ban-supreme-court-ruling
Donald Trump’s travel ban now appears to be a permanent part of US immigration policy. On Tuesday, in an opinion written by Chief Justice John Roberts, the Supreme Court ruled for the government in Trump v. Hawaii, the lawsuit over the current version of the travel ban... In a 5-4 decision (the court’s liberals dissented), Roberts reversed the ruling of the 9th Circuit Court that had attempted to put the travel ban on hold.

So Trump and the republicans can call it a Muslim ban during the campaign, Trump can tell Guilianni "help me ban Muslims", but its still not a violation of the first amendment. Yet Republican congresscritters act all shocked and horrified when the Trump administration causes children to be locked in cages.

This Supreme Court will be judged harshly by history. SOme of it decisions will go down with Dred Scott and Plessy vs Ferguson as disasterous.

 

[dudalb]

Anything coming out of the 9th Circuit is going to be vulnerable. I hope the process of writing & rewriting managed to make it less onerous.

But yeah it's kind of a drag.

Maybe it wasn't an act. I'm trying to stop myself from thinking that one crisis means the balance has been tipped against (or for) Trump. Whatever happens in November, it will be a cumulative effect, not a single smoking gun.

What are Democrats doing to mobilize the vote? Make sure people are registered, have proper ID, a ride to the polls? If there is good turnout and people decide they want another 2 years of one-party rule I really don't think I'll want to live here anymore. I know it's a cliche but I mean it, I don't want to watch America being dismantled brick by foundational brick.

So what is the strategy?

If the Republicans win in November, get a rifle and learn how to use it. Democracy will be dead, replaced by a corrupt phony system.

 

[dudalb]

It was also claimed that the ones included are the ones that the security agencies of several countries (including the US State Department) agree have inadequate security controls on terrorist emigration. I never checked the veracity of that, but it sounds plausible.

Now what?

Watch democracy die since all 3 braches of the government are under authoritarian control.
if you support Trump, you are in favor of dictatorship and bigotry, and care more about you damn tax cuts then freedom and decency.
They are sowing the wind ,and will reap the whirlwind.

 

[Fudbucker]

Because it's not about the level of terrorism, but the level of vetting.

Pantsganistan could be 99% terrorists, and as long as we're convinced that the 1% in charge are doing their part to stop the terrorists from emigrating, we don't need a travel ban--just a lot of cooperation in vetting the Pantsgani immigrants that do arrive on our shores.

And this is a recurring theme, with Saudi Arabia. You may have noticed that the Saudis get a pass on a lot of stuff. And that's because, unlike some other nations <cough>Iran<cough>, the Saudis cooperate on a lot of the really important issues.

Do you have a link for any of this?

Apparently reducing immigration from countries that combine terrorist activity with inadequate security controls also reduces Muslim immigration. Trump's alleged ulterior motive doesn't invalidate the stated reason for the ban.

Alleged? How many times did Trump say he wanted a total ban on Muslims?

And the stated reason for the ban is valid on its face, and well within the authority of the Executive branch. So who cares if, as a result of this ruling, Trump gets to tick the "less Muslim immigrants" box on the scorecard in his head?

There are lots of reasons to care about a policy that specifically discriminates against a religious group.

 

[applecorped]

Add another scotus nominee and perhaps two before Trump is out of office and you've got that court locked up for generations.


Elections do indeed have consequences.

 

[dudalb]

Add another scotus nominee and perhaps two before Trump is out of office and you've got that court locked up for generations.


Elections do indeed have consequences.

At least you are honest in that you want right wing authoritarian rule in this country.
Unless you are just trolling,which is a possibility.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump tweeted

"Early this year Harley-Davidson said they would move much of their plant operations in Kansas City to Thailand. That was long before Tariffs were announced. Hence, they were just using Tariffs/Trade War as an excuse. Shows how unbalanced & unfair trade is, but we will fix it....."

" ....We are getting other countries to reduce and eliminate tariffs and trade barriers that have been unfairly used for years against our farmers, workers and companies. We are opening up closed markets and expanding our footprint. They must play fair or they will pay tariffs!"

"....When I had Harley-Davidson officials over to the White House, I chided them about tariffs in other countries, like India, being too high. Companies are now coming back to America. Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!"

"....We are finishing our study of Tariffs on cars from the E.U. in that they have long taken advantage of the U.S. in the form of Trade Barriers and Tariffs. In the end it will all even out - and it won’t take very long"

Shouldn't someone tell him that HD are moving production out of the USA because they want to get round the tariffs that the rest of the world will impose on US goods because of Trumps Trade War?

His policies are killing US jobs.

What countries reduced tariffs? What closed markets are now open? Where have you expanded your footprint?

 

[jimbob]

Trump sure likes to recycle the "Low IQ" insult.

And we know he projects like mad with most of his other insults.

 

[uke2se]

At least you are honest in that you want right wing authoritarian rule in this country.
Unless you are just trolling,which is a possibility.

He's right tho. The illegitimate Supreme Court is firmly batting for Trump and authoritarianism. Decent people will get no help from them. That means increased gerrymandering, increased voter suppression and a cementing of Trumpist hold on power. Decent people need to realize that if you do not manage to get both houses back in November, you will never get them back.

 

[dudalb]

He's right tho. The illegitimate Supreme Court is firmly batting for Trump and authoritarianism. Decent people will get no help from them. That means increased gerrymandering, increased voter suppression and a cementing of Trumpist hold on power. Decent people need to realize that if you do not manage to get both houses back in November, you will never get them back.

And if the Dems fail to get back congress we just lie down and play dead?
Or do we start thinking seroulsy about the next level of resistence?
In defense of freedom, I am no pacifist.

 

[uke2se]

There is always the second amendment appeal.

And if not for a November Democratic victory, it will be your only recourse.

Getting a weapon and learning how to use it, like you said, seems like a good idea. Remember, there are more of you than there are of them.

 

[dudalb]

I want to make clear I am only talking about the use of force as a last resort, when all other methods have failed.
If the Dems make huge gains in the congress without actually taking back the congress, that will be enough to stave off disaster.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Add another scotus nominee and perhaps two before Trump is out of office and you've got that court locked up for generations.


Elections do indeed have consequences.

Do you actually have an issue with the legal basis of the rulings today?

 

[uke2se]

I want to make clear I am only talking about the use of force as a last resort, when all other methods have failed.
If the Dems make huge gains in the congress without actually taking back the congress, that will be enough to stave off disaster.

How would that help? They would go from having no power to having slightly more no power. And given the fact that the illegitimate Supreme court has given the green light to increase gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts, it's not like it's going to get better.

 

[BobTheCoward]

How would that help? They would go from having no power to having slightly more no power. And given the fact that the illegitimate Supreme court has given the green light to increase gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts, it's not like it's going to get better.

Supreme court is legitimate.

 

[BobTheCoward]

This Supreme Court will be judged harshly by history. SOme of it decisions will go down with Dred Scott and Plessy vs Ferguson as disasterous.

And loving v Virginia

 

[dudalb]

How would that help? They would go from having no power to having slightly more no power. And given the fact that the illegitimate Supreme court has given the green light to increase gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts, it's not like it's going to get better.

Because they can block any further actions by the GOP.
And control of congress has no direct impact on gerrymandering anyway.


You really have written off democracy in the US, Have'nt you.
And I just saw you signature; I have to ask: who determines who is intolerant and needs to be surpressed? Sounds to me like you favor a form of Left Wing Authoratainism, which in the end is little better then the right wing form.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Add another scotus nominee and perhaps two before Trump is out of office and you've got that court locked up for generations.


Elections do indeed have consequences.

Unless selectively ignored, such as in Obama's pick for SCOTUS. The difference is, gosh, black and white.

 

[uke2se]

Because they can block any further actions by the GOP.

Using which mechanism?

And control of congress has no direct impact on gerrymandering anyway.

True, but it does have an impact on policy. Gerrymandering and voter suppression come from the states, which means Democrats need to win those back as well.

You really have written off democracy in the US, Have'nt you.

If not for November, then yes. I genuinely think this is it. You have a sufficient number of people who simply don't care for Democracy anymore, and as fate has it, they are in complete control.

And I just saw you signature; I have to ask: who determines who is intolerant and needs to be surpressed? Sounds to me like you favor a form of Left Wing Authoratainism, which in the end is little better then the right wing form.

Intolerance is quite easy to spot. I'm not in favor of authoritarianism at all. I'm in favor of Democracy.