The Trump Presidency VII

[chrispy]

Just saw Dershowitz on CNN. Even he is blasting Trump's family separations and excuses thereof.

 

[logger]

What is actually going on is systematic child abuse being justified by hiding behind an unjust law.

What is actually going on is emotionless narcissists in lockstep with their narcissist leader are criticising actual human beings for having emotions and caring about the welfare of children.

What is actually going on is that there is a particular group of Americans who are raising their own children in their likeness to be devoid of compassion, and possibly even emotion. These children are the future fascists of America who will perpetuate the sickness that is becoming prevalent in your society.

You, logger, have made it abundantly clear that you are in favor of American society moving in this direction. Everything you post points to fascist ideology. All that remains is for you to confirm it instead of hiding behind weasel words. Will/can you do that?

Lol

I could never be a fascist, I’m a small government conservative. Just how would that work? You do understand what fascism is? Lol

Check out my response to Acbytesla on who the real fascists are.

What we have here is government being overwhelmed, doing their level best as these people come to our country illegally. It would be negligence if they didn’t check the things they are supposed to.

 

[Steve]

You should be ashamed if you think those children were coached and you are propagating that bull***t theory.

Of course boarder security is important. If they feel they have to detain the parents at the moment, then perhaps they should consider detaining them with their children - obviously not in a prison. If there is no suitable accommodation then perhaps they should consider carrying on with the previous policy until at least moderately ethically appropriate arrangements can be made.

The reason other presidents wouldn't do this is not because they were your clumsy caricature of a weak liberal, but because it is just the wrong thing to do.

Shame is an emotion. Those who worship Trump do not have emotions. They see it as a weakness to overcome, similar to having a mother.

 

[logger]

You should be ashamed if you think those children were coached and you are propagating that bull***t theory.

This is just pure emotion again, I’ve never rendered an opinion on it.

Of course boarder security is important. If they feel they have to detain the parents at the moment, then perhaps they should consider detaining them with their children - obviously not in a prison. If there is no suitable accommodation then perhaps they should consider carrying on with the previous policy until at least moderately ethically appropriate arrangements can be made.

A large percentage have strangers attached to them, if the mistake of leaving them together was on you, would you still think that?

The reason other presidents wouldn't do this is not because they were your clumsy caricature of a weak liberal, but because it is just the wrong thing to do.

Except of course other presidents did do it. You’re being duped!

 

[logger]

No he *********** DIDN'T! That you repeat this lie over and over demonstrates just how brainwashed some become. You keep pretending that Trump's actions are not new and we all know better.

The only thing Trump has done differently is arrest them all. Obama’s admin separated plenty of families because they were forced to investigate the claims of these immigrants and other obvious reasons.

 

[Steve]

Lol

I could never be a fascist, I’m a small government conservative. Just how would that work? You do understand what fascism is? Lol

Check out my response to Acbytedla on who the real fascists are.

What we have here is government being overwhelmed, doing their level best as these people come to our country illegally. It would be negligence if they didn’t check the things they are supposed to.

You don't even understand your own politics. Conservatives generally view having compassion and other appropriate emotions as healthy. Fascists, among other things, view emotions as something to overcome, and to ridicule in others. Fascists also think caged children are a good thing.

 

[Trebuchet]

Love, compassion, empathy, joy, and sorrow are emotions. So are anger and hate. Which do you chose? It's clear which ones Trump has chosen.

 

[acbytesla]

That’s nonsense. Hillary tried and Obama almost succeeded in taking over our healthcare. That is fascism. Social security, fascism. I could go on and on how your hero’s have mixed government and private business all in the name of fairness and what government ought to do.

The left has always been the fascist. Criminey sakes what do you think democrat socialism is?

Taking over our healthcare? You CAN'T be serious. There is national healthcare in Japan, Canada, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany and a great many countries. None of which are fascist, or National Socialists.

I often think the right is deluded and stupid,, but of course not all of them are. Time to get a real education. You don't have a dumbass clue what the NAZI party and fascism was about. It's not democratic socialism or even close.

Where did you go to college Logger? Did you study political science? Did you study the rise of Mussolini and Hitler? What books have you read about these events?
If you were even slightly educated in that area you would know that you just dropped a huge load of manure. The key is Nationalism, not socialism. The Communist revolution in Russia stunned the world and National Socialism was the response. There are some very tiny similarities, but overall they are very different.

Fascism was about a government partnership with industry.

Here are a few books that might help you to know what you're talking about.

The Rise of Fascism
F. L. Carsten

Inside Nazi Germany: Conformity, Opposition, and Racism in Everyday Life
Detlev J. K. Peukert

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
William L. Shirer

There are lots more. Better to learn than to post ignorance.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

That’s nonsense. Hillary tried and Obama almost succeeded in taking over our healthcare. That is fascism. Social security, fascism. I could go on and on...

...and continue to be 100% wrong.

Check out my response to Acbytesla on who the real fascists are.

...and invite everyone to make sure they see for themselves.

 

[acbytesla]

Lol

I could never be a fascist, I’m a small government conservative. Just how would that work? You do understand what fascism is? Lol

Check out my response to Acbytesla on who the real fascists are.

What we have here is government being overwhelmed, doing their level best as these people come to our country illegally. It would be negligence if they didn’t check the things they are supposed to.

You want a small government? Go to Somalia. I have yet to read a post from you in the years that I have been reading your posts that discusses in any detail what that crap 'small government conservative' actually means.

This immigration policy is not 'small government'. Neither is his wall, or space force. Trump wants huge military expenditures for the biggest military in the world. How the **** is that 'small government'? I have yet to read one thought out post by you what small government conservatism is. Does that mean, we stop managing the forests and the fisheries? Does that mean you get to dump raw sewage in my well?

I have yet to read anyone that argues this small government ******** for a nation of 350 million people making a damn bit of sense. Our government is hardly overwhelmed and the tiny trickle of immigrants over the last 8 years hardly qualifies as overwhelming.

 

[Steve]

I understand my politics forces me to be very far from a fascist, yours doesn’t.

Fascism - any right wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchal structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism.

You have already stated in this forum that you would like a single party far right government. You mock liberalism in every post. If the definition fits, wear it.

 

[logger]

Taking over our healthcare? You CAN'T be serious. There is national healthcare in Japan, Canada, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany and a great many countries. None of which are fascist, or National Socialists.

You’re the one constantly talking about the slippery slope. And yes, those countries lean heavily into socialism. It would literally be impossible for this country to turn fascist, that is next level stuff there. Thanks!

 

[logger]

Fascism - any right wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchal structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism.

You have already stated in this forum that you would like a single party far right government. You mock liberalism in every post. If the definition fits, wear it.

Whatever helps you stay in your reality.

 

[gregthehammer]

fascism is socialism now? I guess!
lol

 

[Steve]

Whatever helps you stay in your reality.

I stand somewhat corrected. I recently posted that Trump worshipers do not have, or understand, shame. You are so obviously ashamed of your own politics. Your own reality appears to be the odd one out on this forum.. Support for your views is totally lacking. When everyone else sees things differently than you it is very very unlikely that it is everyone else that is wrong.

 

[logger]

I stand somewhat corrected. I recently posted that Trump worshipers do not have, or understand, shame. You are so obviously ashamed of your own politics. Your own reality appears to be the odd one out on this forum.. Support for your views is totally lacking. When everyone else sees things differently than you it is very very unlikely that it is everyone else that is wrong.

Lol

There is about 5 people on the right at this forum. I like to look at things logically, your side just simply doesn’t. This post proves it even more.

I would love to know why you think I’m ashamed of my politics? I wonder what my posts would look like if I just had a bit of confidence? Lol thanks for the laugh!

 

[logger]

fascism is socialism now? I guess!
lol

Lots of similarities.

It sure isn’t conservatism.

 

[acbytesla]

Whatever helps you stay in your reality.

Go back to school. This ignorance is frightening.

First paragraph of Wikipedia for fascism.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[5][6][7][4][8][9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Fascism, political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East. Europe’s first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism

A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the marketplace, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/fascism

Every word you seem to post rings of fascism and this is true about Trump. That your posts about fascim are totally clueless is really sad and ignorant.

 

[Jim_MDP]

fascism is socialism now? I guess!
lol

I know.
I think I just saw Shatner pointing at the wing and trying to flag down a stewardess.



eta: BTW... I abhor true socialism/communism.
There's no way in hell for the system to work with the current state of human psychology. The strong will always see to it they and theirs have more than their share. Period. (not that I'd want to live there anyway)

But social services/safety net do not make a democracy "socialist". Unless you're an idiot.

 

[logger]

Go back to school. This ignorance is frightening.

First paragraph of Wikipedia for fascism.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[5][6][7][4][8][9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Fascism, political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East. Europe’s first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism

A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the marketplace, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/fascism

Every word you seem to post rings of fascism and this is true about Trump. That your posts about fascim are totally clueless is really sad and ignorant.

Whatever helps you stay in your reality.

You do realize you rail against Trump and republicans as much as I rail against liberals? Lol just can’t make this stuff up!

And another thing, again, conservatism doesn’t want anything to with mixing government, industry or business. That is the left, so sad!