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Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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I'm not seeing any meaningful difference there in the Irish government's position. The Irish Times and RTE have editorialised it differently is all, and frankly out of those two I would trust RTE's version more.
 
Strawberry said:
I'm not seeing any meaningful difference there in the Irish government's position. The Irish Times and RTE have editorialised it differently is all, and frankly out of those two I would trust RTE's version more.
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There are significant differences in the reporting of the Irish Government reaction to the British proposal for a UK wide backstop, but that may simply reflect differences in where the reporters are based and who has been talking to them.
 
ceptimus said:
Fruit picking is a skill you can pick up in a week or so providing you are fit and keen. So not really a skill in the usual sense of the word, but it is undoubtedly very hard work.
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Nonsense.

A week might be time enough to learn how not to be a danger to yourself and others.

Learning enough and becoming skilled enough to not ruin more product than you successfully harvest takes much longer. Becoming skilled enough to make any sort of decent wage is another step still.
 
Come to East Anglia, you can get a job harvesting fruit and veg for minimum wage at the drop of a hat.
No one wants to do it though, wages are low, conditions are hard and it is seasonal.

A week is long enough to learn how to do it, you will be expected to be working the same day as you are hired.
 
Information Analyst said:
Well, obviously you'd hand-wave away someone pointing out that your "It's an effective way to keep up class barriers" claim was not always true...
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I expect that some students also worked as sales clerks, waiters and waitresses, house painters, janitors, etc. in their summer off time too.

None of that proves the point you claim to be making either.
 
quadraginta said:
I expect that some students also worked as sales clerks, waiters and waitresses, house painters, janitors, etc. in their summer off time too.
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Those are jobs which exist year-round, so students would be displacing full-time workers if they did them over the summer. The advantage of harvest work was that it was obviously seasonal. That said, even before the switch to reliance on EU workers, a large amount was still being done by temporary foreign nationals, via the Season Agricultural Workers Scheme, a fact which seems to have eluded the Brexit debate.
 
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Octavo said:
I'm sure it's been posted before, but the Galileo constellation is in the news again with 27 member states voting to block Britain's access to the project and the next round of contracts are to exclude British firms from participation.

EU playing hard ball.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...s-to-galileo-satellite-programme-after-brexit
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Wow it is almost as if you will be out of the EU before the project will launch, like there is some kind of deadline where by if you don't have some kind of agreement you are out.
 
Strawberry said:
In the unlikely event that their divide and conquer tactics work, the Irish government will have to be prepared to use their veto.
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An Ireland veto on Brexit plans seems to require undoing the treaty article 50 deadline.

"No deal" is--as you suggested before--"dead in the water" because the UK crashing out means a north/south border which all of the players are against, and which presumably no player (not the UK not Ireland not the EU) will build. For this reason I would think that any no-deal threat from either the UK or the EU side is pretty hollow, and (among other things) Theresa May's delaying antics have some force.
 
Francesca R said:
An Ireland veto on Brexit plans seems to require undoing the treaty article 50 deadline.

"No deal" is--as you suggested before--"dead in the water" because the UK crashing out means a north/south border which all of the players are against, and which presumably no player (not the UK not Ireland not the EU) will build. For this reason I would think that any no-deal threat from either the UK or the EU side is pretty hollow, and (among other things) Theresa May's delaying antics have some force.
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And what happens if someone blocks the extension of article 50?
 
Another predictable consequence of Brexit:

The UK will be kicked out of the European Arrest Warrant deal after Brexit, EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said.

The warrant allows EU members to request the arrest and detention of criminals in other countries without extradition talks between them.

The UK wants to stay part of the system when it leaves the EU next March.

But Mr Barnier said the UK could not, because of its desire to leave the EU's court and free movement scheme.

The EU would consider setting up a "streamlined" extradition process with the UK instead, said Mr Barnier.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44532500

It's encouraging that the EU is willing to think about setting up an alternative - wonder if it can be in place in time ? :rolleyes:
 
According to the National Crime Agency, other EU members requested the arrest of 14,279 UK-based suspects in 2015-6, up from 1,865 in 2004. The UK made 241 such requests in 2015-6, leading to 150 arrests.
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EU requests: 14279
UK requests: 241

So which side loses out most by the EU's refusal to cooperate after Brexit?
 
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