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The Trump Presidency VII

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Aridas said:
...very few "liberals" are actually for a one party rule, contrary to your nonsense. What they actually tend to want is the current Republican Party leadership gone and a relatively honest party that's actually going to be working for the sake and goal of a healthy country and society in its place...
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But if the Republicans are working for the good of the country, and the Democrats are working for the good of the country... that's one party!

Got'cha!
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
But if the Republicans are working for the good of the country, and the Democrats are working for the good of the country... that's one party!

Got'cha!
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There maybe differences on how best to achieve that goal though.
 
Minoosh said:
Tariffs restrict free trade of good and current immigration practices unduly restrict movement of labor. Both are a form of protectionism.
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Yes, but not enough to really qualify as "control of industry and commerce." Either way, that's the only main part of fascism that's really more aligned with the far left than the far right.

Cl1mh4224rd said:
But if the Republicans are working for the good of the country, and the Democrats are working for the good of the country... that's one party!

Got'cha!
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Poe? Either way, ideological disagreements, even major ones, are completely fine. Base pettiness, constant dishonest and corrosive tactics, and literally sabotaging the government because you're not getting your way through the established procedure and engaging in political cowardice because you don't want to face the consequences of your actions are not even remotely fine, no matter who does it.
 
Trump tweets

"The Democrats should get together with their Republican counterparts and work something out on Border Security & Safety. Don’t wait until after the election because you are going to lose!"
 
He still seems to think the news media are the 'Enemy of the People'

Seems pretty Dictatorish to me.

"Why was the FBI giving so much information to the Fake News Media. They are not supposed to be doing that, and knowing the enemy of the people Fake News, they put their own spin on it - truth doesn’t matter to them!"
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump tweets

"The Democrats should get together with their Republican counterparts and work something out on Border Security & Safety. Don’t wait until after the election because you are going to lose!"
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Lemme guess.... it rhymes with "hall", right?

How long can these liars keep repeating the lie that this is a Democratic program. "Golly we'd love to let all these suspiciously brown people stay together but our hands are tied by the Democratic majority in both houses of Congress. But, hey, if you were to grease our palms with funding for the wall, which we could pass also if we wanted to, we could help them out."

Did L'il Kim and Donnie Johnny switch bodies in Singapore? This is something Kim would do.
 
Foolmewunz said:
... How long can these liars keep repeating the lie that this is a Democratic program. ...
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As long as they like, apparently. Two plus centuries of misdirection and counting. Falsehood has been the preferred tool of this same demographic since prior to the Civil War, given the disastrous impact on self-image any concern for fact, truth, or history would have on this recalcitrant band of Big Chief wannabes.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yep they shouldn't seek assylum here, we are a far worse country than they come from. Better they die at home, that get tortured here.
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Better they get a chance to stay and I seriously doubt they’re being tortured but I don’t want to step on your narrative.
 
Mumbles said:
Still too fond of her husband (as I've said before, he never should have risen above a low-to-mid-level manager, or small business owner), but credit where it's due, she's right.
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She compares them to the WWII "internment camps" for the Japanese, too.

I expect she's not really a Republican.
 
Aridas said:
While I can't speak directly for varwoche, very few "liberals" are actually for a one party rule, contrary to your nonsense. What they actually tend to want is the current Republican Party leadership gone and a relatively honest party that's actually going to be working for the sake and goal of a healthy country and society in its place, rather than the current remarkably dishonest one that's working for the sake of party and is willing to divide the nation for the sake of political points. People to work with, even if there is significant disagreement, rather than people who pettily base their support more on who's proposing rather than the quality of the proposal, even disregarding whether they, themselves, held up the proposal in the first place. Not political cowards who keep trying to refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions, despite loudly proclaiming that personal responsibility is important.
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From my view, the idea of two parties with minor disagreements was always something of a joke. And the reason is simple - our political system only really allows for two major parties as a stable system. One has always been iffy, and the other has always been a home for bigoted outsiders, charlatans, and quislings. The two parties is useful, in that one of the two is a natural home for evil.

And what you're seeing now is simply a middle result of that. A willful disregard for honesty, democracy, and respect for human life of others, from one of the two.
 
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I have no doubt. You’re not interested in our laws, you said nothing when Obama was doing the same thing. A bit hypocritical dontcha think?
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I've been trying to hunt down the source of this claim (knowing full well that those making will never provide it). I can find nothing to support this assertion. In fact, NPR specifically debunks it.

The W. Bush and Obama administrations both had family detention centers, which weren't great, but also not the same thing as separating families. I can't find the source now, but I've read that the Obama administration also had teen and child detention centers, but that was for children who crossed the border without their families which, again, is not the same thing.

Separating families by putting the parents under arrest is a uniquely Trump thing. Well, unique in the last 70-80 years or so.
 
logger said:
Better they get a chance to stay and I seriously doubt they’re being tortured but I don’t want to step on your narrative.
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Have you ever been desperately afraid for the safety and well-being of a beloved person who you have no way of contacting and no way of confirming how they're doing or even where they are? Let alone a child, possibly under 5 years old, who does not know his own birthday or how to other family members who might be able to help?

It's a terrible, corrosive, debilitating fear. It's almost enough to make you give up hope. And for now these parents have no way even of expediting a guilty plea and getting plane tickets home. The plea would be under extreme duress, anyway. And you may have an excellent chance of being killed in your own country.

It is cruel and unusual punishment, and these are people who haven't even been convicted of a crime. Set aside just for a moment "they shouldn't be here." They are here and many have tried the legal way: presenting themselves for asylum at a port of entry. Is it then OK to hold their children hostage?
 
Upchurch said:
The W. Bush and Obama administrations both had family detention centers, which weren't great, but also not the same thing as separating families. I can't find the source now, but I've read that the Obama administration also had teen and child detention centers, but that was for children who crossed the border without their families which, again, is not the same thing.
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The latter was very specifically tied to a crisis in immigration in 2014, which is discussed extensively in this Wikipedia entry. Note the references section which clearly counters any claims from apologists that "nobody talked about it".
 
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