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Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2
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What's the score on whether/when The Orange One can pardon him?
Don't know why any one would think Trump's campaign manager for several months had anything to do with Trump's campaign!
I know this has to be true because Trump just said it.
Segnosaur
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That's ok. Cohen was just a coffee boy. Didn't really do that much for Trump. Nothing to see here. These are not the droids you're looking for.
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Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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For When Trump Supporters Claim Paul Manafort was a "Nobody":
Campaign Head for 144 Days, Personally Picked Pence, Worked w/ Trump for 30 years, Lived in Trump Tower where he met Trump constantly, Worked on Trump transition team, Attended Trump Tower meeting.
Campaign Head for 144 Days, Personally Picked Pence, Worked w/ Trump for 30 years, Lived in Trump Tower where he met Trump constantly, Worked on Trump transition team, Attended Trump Tower meeting.
Segnosaur
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Yeah but what you don't know is that the position of being campaign head and working on the transition team just involves getting coffee. Nothing else.
Crossbow
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Oh gee whiz!
With Trump throwing Manafort under the bus in this way, then I guess that means that there is no chance at all of Manafort being pardoned by Trump. Furthermore, it also means that Manafort is now free to flip on Trump in order make his own deal with Bob Muller.
Did Trump just say in a TV interview 44 days?
Trebuchet
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You're forgetting he was campaign manager during the actual Republican convention, the high point of the primary campaign, and orchestrated the removal of the condemnation of Russia for invading Crimea from the platform.
Segnosaur
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An exact quote from Trump is:
"You know, Paul Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. He worked for Ronald Reagan. He worked for Bob Dole. He worked for many other he worked for me, what, 49 days or something. Very short period of time."
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/15/manafort-pleads-not-guilty-to-witness-tampering-charge.html
Yes, the real number is way off, and he worked as Trump's campaign chair for almost half a year (in addition to his other jobs). Any idea where the '49 days' comes from? seems like a strangely specific number.
Segnosaur
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Don't be silly.
Trump minimizing Manafort's role in his campaign just means that when he does pardon him, he can say "Look how magnanimous I am... even pardoning people who didn't really do much for me".
Trebuchet
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The problem Trump faces with a pardon is that Manafort will then no longer be free NOT to flip on Trump.
I wrongly predicted a week or so ago that he'd be pardoned before ever seeing a cell. I was forgetting the above.
Segnosaur
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The other problem is that in addition to federal charges (money laundering, illegal lobbying, making false statement) Manafort also faces state charges in Virginia (bank fraud, filing false tax returns, etc.). And Trump can't pardon the state charges.
He is due in court on the state charges in July, and for the federal charges in September.
Politico said Paul Manafort was not handcuffed while in the courtroom which seems like an odd thing to point out. Surely there would be no reason to do so unless the defendant was deemed likely to physically attack someone or something similar?
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The Virginia charges are federal as well. I believe the prosecution gave Manafort the option to combine his trials and Manafort rejected the offer. Manafort had the right to have two trials because some of the alleged crimes occurred in different jurisdictions. It is curious that he would have selected the option to have two trials. I suppose he could have hoped for a more sympathetic ear in Virginia and for a bit it seemed like he might have found one. Alas no.
On the issue of Manafort flipping: Is there public information available right now that provides good evidence that Manafort has something on Trump to deal? Is it possible that Manfort's Russian/Ukranian connections are just a coincidence with regard to anything that Trump and his minions were up to? ETA: There is the Trump Tower meeting, but maybe he was just there to find out what the Russians had and he wasn't part of any effort to cooperate with the Russians and their efforts to get Trump elected?
Assuming Manafort doesn't have anything to trade on Trump all he has left is to make the best deal he can that wraps up all the various charges against him including some cooperation from the states that might charge him in a way that makes it so he has a shot of not dying in jail. He might also like to do something that stops the financial bleeding. At this point leaving his family a few bucks might be something he is thinking about.
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Manafort definitely thrown under the bus: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1007679422865006593
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